1 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:05,450 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:07,309 --> 00:00:06,210 triangle 3 00:00:08,419 --> 00:00:07,319 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:10,370 --> 00:00:08,429 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:12,740 --> 00:00:10,380 Rendlesham forest incident it wasn't 6 00:00:16,250 --> 00:00:12,750 involved aliens at all it was completely 7 00:00:19,490 --> 00:00:16,260 silent it comes right over our head it's 8 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:19,500 so classic flying-saucer really standing 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:21,090 in the clearing he turned over to my 10 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:22,650 father and held his hand and he looked 11 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:24,170 in his eyes they said we're not alone 12 00:00:33,860 --> 00:00:31,189 welcome to podcast UFO for our live show 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:33,870 we're live every Wednesday at 8 p.m. 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:36,090 Eastern Standard Time on the dark matter 15 00:00:42,290 --> 00:00:38,610 radio network please remember to visit 16 00:00:45,470 --> 00:00:42,300 the website podcast UFO calm for past 17 00:00:47,450 --> 00:00:45,480 episodes blogs and forums during the 18 00:00:49,940 --> 00:00:47,460 show feel free to participate live in 19 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:49,950 our chat room and don't forget to like 20 00:00:54,740 --> 00:00:52,050 us on our very active Facebook page 21 00:00:57,470 --> 00:00:54,750 hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:00:57,480 Willis your host and we have a good show 23 00:01:03,979 --> 00:01:00,090 for you tonight this is the show that 24 00:01:07,460 --> 00:01:03,989 didn't happen we try to have a Thiago on 25 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:07,470 a few weeks ago and it just didn't 26 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:09,810 happen we had software updating in the 27 00:01:13,940 --> 00:01:11,970 background which caused a terrible mess 28 00:01:17,030 --> 00:01:13,950 no one could hear the guests no could 29 00:01:20,210 --> 00:01:17,040 hear 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Thursday from 10:00 p.m. to midnight and 44 00:02:07,639 --> 00:02:03,450 Alejandro how you doing I am well I'm 45 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:07,649 here at UFO Congress headquarters and 46 00:02:13,070 --> 00:02:10,140 we're in a transition the background 47 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:13,080 again is super boring I'm sorry I had 48 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:13,560 these 49 00:02:18,110 --> 00:02:15,090 boring backgrounds lately for you 50 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:18,120 however not like Tiago when he comes up 51 00:02:22,490 --> 00:02:20,010 he's got aliens back there in books some 52 00:02:24,050 --> 00:02:22,500 really cool stuff but we're gonna be 53 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:24,060 changing some stuff up so I'm gonna have 54 00:02:27,290 --> 00:02:26,010 I'm gonna be to two locations that I'll 55 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:27,300 be doing this from and I'll have some 56 00:02:31,550 --> 00:02:29,970 better better background here soon yeah 57 00:02:33,949 --> 00:02:31,560 I know you had your aliens in the 58 00:02:38,089 --> 00:02:33,959 background and the open minds thing and 59 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:38,099 all that yeah so so are they I open 60 00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:40,769 mindset and then a UFO Congress when 61 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:43,110 depending on where I'm at on wind days 62 00:02:47,750 --> 00:02:46,170 and so whoa well how good so this is you 63 00:02:51,740 --> 00:02:47,760 know I'm working on it this is the only 64 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:51,750 way you can do this show now at the time 65 00:02:57,979 --> 00:02:54,510 life right I mean this is your home 66 00:03:01,550 --> 00:02:57,989 office basically your home studio it is 67 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:01,560 it is so although it you never know I 68 00:03:05,930 --> 00:03:03,630 mean things are so dynamic that you 69 00:03:09,020 --> 00:03:05,940 never know I I may be doing this from 70 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:09,030 the open mind studio again that's such a 71 00:03:14,990 --> 00:03:12,720 fun place to to do this from but yeah 72 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:15,000 currently I'm at the home office which 73 00:03:21,979 --> 00:03:17,970 we're fixing up it'll be better so right 74 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:21,989 so what's going on this week so what's 75 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:23,970 going on well the first thing is the 76 00:03:29,750 --> 00:03:27,570 Eclipse so I had a story where I 77 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:29,760 compiled some information about the 78 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:32,370 Eclipse on Monday and of course it was a 79 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:34,650 total eclipse for some people but there 80 00:03:38,180 --> 00:03:36,329 were some funny quotes out there for 81 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:38,190 people who did stories or were 82 00:03:43,699 --> 00:03:40,799 interviewed about stories for the 83 00:03:45,740 --> 00:03:43,709 Eclipse and UFOs but I do want to say 84 00:03:49,580 --> 00:03:45,750 this one weird fact about the total 85 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:49,590 eclipse you know you are probably aware 86 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:52,290 of this said that the Sun is actually 87 00:03:56,620 --> 00:03:54,450 larger than the moon did you know the 88 00:04:01,120 --> 00:03:56,630 corner times or something like that yeah 89 00:04:03,979 --> 00:04:01,130 yeah well then so why does the moon 90 00:04:05,870 --> 00:04:03,989 perfectly cover the Sun like perfectly 91 00:04:08,509 --> 00:04:05,880 during a total eclipse because it's 92 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:08,519 about 400 times further away than the 93 00:04:17,150 --> 00:04:14,489 Sun that is exactly correct so the Sun 94 00:04:20,599 --> 00:04:17,160 is 400 times larger but it's also 400 95 00:04:24,980 --> 00:04:20,609 times further away but doesn't that seem 96 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:24,990 awfully coincidental yes and I know the 97 00:04:27,420 --> 00:04:26,610 they say the moon is moving you know 98 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:27,430 slightly 99 00:04:34,350 --> 00:04:31,330 but it's gonna take probably a million 100 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:34,360 years before it'll be a different you 101 00:04:38,189 --> 00:04:36,310 know situation during the Eclipse we 102 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:38,199 don't have to worry about that but it is 103 00:04:42,990 --> 00:04:41,289 it's the the total eclipse did this nice 104 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:43,000 little swath right through the country 105 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:45,970 and I've seen some pictures online and 106 00:04:51,450 --> 00:04:50,050 some video it's really something so 107 00:04:54,390 --> 00:04:51,460 pretty funny 108 00:04:56,129 --> 00:04:54,400 so some people think that the aliens 109 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:56,139 brought the moon from elsewhere and 110 00:05:00,420 --> 00:04:58,330 that's one of their pieces of course but 111 00:05:04,620 --> 00:05:00,430 it is a pretty weird coincidence that 112 00:05:06,210 --> 00:05:04,630 makes that happen so of the UFO quotes 113 00:05:09,210 --> 00:05:06,220 out there Nick Pope's was the funniest 114 00:05:10,860 --> 00:05:09,220 so The Daily Express interviewed him and 115 00:05:12,510 --> 00:05:10,870 he made some pretty funny 116 00:05:14,460 --> 00:05:12,520 announcements he did say that they'll 117 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:14,470 probably be a lot of UFO sightings 118 00:05:20,670 --> 00:05:17,650 because there usually is but one of the 119 00:05:23,129 --> 00:05:20,680 things that he also said is that he 120 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:23,139 here's his quote sadly there's a dark 121 00:05:27,450 --> 00:05:25,330 side he's British if you're not aware he 122 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:27,460 was an investigator of UFOs for the 123 00:05:32,460 --> 00:05:29,530 Ministry of Defence he's been on your 124 00:05:35,070 --> 00:05:32,470 show I'm sure he's on mine occasionally 125 00:05:38,730 --> 00:05:35,080 but he says sadly there's a dark side 126 00:05:40,860 --> 00:05:38,740 pun intended to the Eclipse such events 127 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:40,870 bring out the crazies and I confidently 128 00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:43,990 predict that there will be an upsurge in 129 00:05:47,580 --> 00:05:46,960 nutjob eree at the time of the total 130 00:05:49,290 --> 00:05:47,590 eclipse 131 00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:49,300 I've already seen predictions that the 132 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:51,310 world will and along with suggestions 133 00:05:57,749 --> 00:05:54,310 that will see more sightings of Bigfoot 134 00:06:01,290 --> 00:05:57,759 demons and any manner of other weird 135 00:06:03,740 --> 00:06:01,300 stuff what was he right I know the end 136 00:06:06,629 --> 00:06:03,750 of the world RP was about right yeah 137 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:06,639 well like I commented I suggested that 138 00:06:11,129 --> 00:06:08,800 the the aliens brought the moon just 139 00:06:14,010 --> 00:06:11,139 pointing out that 400 by 400 thing that 140 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:14,020 we talked about however yet there were 141 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:17,409 some weird claims but thus far I have 142 00:06:20,580 --> 00:06:18,880 looked at the sightings because of 143 00:06:23,370 --> 00:06:20,590 course I wanted to do a story on any 144 00:06:26,129 --> 00:06:23,380 good Eclipse sightings out there however 145 00:06:30,719 --> 00:06:26,139 all of them that I've seen I think are 146 00:06:33,779 --> 00:06:30,729 birds bugs or lens flares lots of lens 147 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:33,789 flares that people think are weird but I 148 00:06:38,610 --> 00:06:35,889 don't they just don't realize that when 149 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:38,620 you're aiming your camera at the Sun 150 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:40,210 even if that's your phone 151 00:06:42,450 --> 00:06:40,810 it's 152 00:06:44,070 --> 00:06:42,460 inching around on the lenses and 153 00:06:46,409 --> 00:06:44,080 everything until it's creating all of 154 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:46,419 these artifacts so lots of people are 155 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:49,210 getting these kind of reflections of the 156 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:51,970 Sun inside of their cameras and thinking 157 00:06:56,129 --> 00:06:54,550 those are anomalous but they're not 158 00:06:59,220 --> 00:06:56,139 but the funnest peach the piece of 159 00:07:00,659 --> 00:06:59,230 nutjob Airy I think and I don't know if 160 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:00,669 you've seen this but you can see this on 161 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:03,070 my story about the Eclipse I saved it 162 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:05,650 for posterity because it's so cool but 163 00:07:11,970 --> 00:07:09,910 Google created this little graphic when 164 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:11,980 you went to the Google site on Monday 165 00:07:17,190 --> 00:07:14,050 where you see aliens kind of bouncing 166 00:07:19,409 --> 00:07:17,200 the moon off of their heads in front of 167 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:19,419 the Sun kind of suggesting that aliens 168 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:21,010 bounce the moon around creating an 169 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:24,160 eclipse for fun of course that's not how 170 00:07:29,490 --> 00:07:26,800 its created but it's cool little graphic 171 00:07:31,980 --> 00:07:29,500 that's my funnest punished nutjob reah 172 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:31,990 the Eclipse well you know if Google did 173 00:07:37,409 --> 00:07:34,330 that then it's most likely true that the 174 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:37,419 aliens did put the moon there yeah yeah 175 00:07:42,330 --> 00:07:40,630 point that's a very odd one so yeah 176 00:07:45,390 --> 00:07:42,340 check that out check out the story to 177 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:45,400 see the Google evidence that Martin has 178 00:07:50,130 --> 00:07:48,370 taken to hearten and has convinced him 179 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:50,140 that aliens brought up the moon here 180 00:07:59,730 --> 00:07:56,110 yeah no that was so there's this yeah 181 00:08:01,890 --> 00:07:59,740 super cool so if people do get to I 182 00:08:03,180 --> 00:08:01,900 didn't get a go I didn't go anywhere to 183 00:08:05,700 --> 00:08:03,190 see the total eclipse and I'm kind of 184 00:08:07,380 --> 00:08:05,710 disappointed we're busy with all of this 185 00:08:09,810 --> 00:08:07,390 stuff going on but it would have been so 186 00:08:11,159 --> 00:08:09,820 fun to camp somewhere and experience 187 00:08:13,620 --> 00:08:11,169 that and I'm kind of bummed that I 188 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:13,630 haven't but someone did say cuz we 189 00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:15,130 talked about this and I talked about how 190 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:16,960 I was bummed about that someone did send 191 00:08:21,750 --> 00:08:19,270 me a link of other opportunities we will 192 00:08:24,090 --> 00:08:21,760 have in the future to do that so and we 193 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:24,100 don't have to wait as long as you know 194 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:26,080 70 80 years or something like some 195 00:08:30,779 --> 00:08:28,330 people have mentioned so it will happen 196 00:08:32,310 --> 00:08:30,789 again so if you didn't get a chance to 197 00:08:32,730 --> 00:08:32,320 experience that we'll have that chance 198 00:08:37,079 --> 00:08:32,740 again 199 00:08:39,540 --> 00:08:37,089 now how significant was it the coverage 200 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:39,550 where you were did you have a fun 201 00:08:43,620 --> 00:08:41,919 experience whether just no I I didn't 202 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:43,630 have a good setup so I didn't have a 203 00:08:49,699 --> 00:08:45,760 chance to look at it long however my son 204 00:08:52,110 --> 00:08:49,709 just you know like 40 miles away or so 205 00:08:54,670 --> 00:08:52,120 got a really good picture I saw that you 206 00:08:57,429 --> 00:08:54,680 saw that on a post-it on Facebook Hoku 207 00:09:00,609 --> 00:08:57,439 yeah you know but we were out of the 208 00:09:03,369 --> 00:09:00,619 swath the total area quite far in Maine 209 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:03,379 yeah but it did it did come across you 210 00:09:08,829 --> 00:09:05,180 know I think a little more than half of 211 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:08,839 it but if you had the glasses those were 212 00:09:13,059 --> 00:09:10,730 the best things to use now when you're 213 00:09:16,119 --> 00:09:13,069 talking about yeah your people get 214 00:09:18,549 --> 00:09:16,129 another chance to experience that this 215 00:09:21,249 --> 00:09:18,559 is that in another country or in the 216 00:09:23,079 --> 00:09:21,259 United States no it looked like I didn't 217 00:09:25,030 --> 00:09:23,089 look at it thoroughly I just received 218 00:09:26,739 --> 00:09:25,040 the email not too long ago so I can't 219 00:09:28,290 --> 00:09:26,749 tell you much about it but it looked 220 00:09:31,079 --> 00:09:28,300 like even in the United States will have 221 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:31,089 chances to to experience that again 222 00:09:35,439 --> 00:09:33,170 relatively so the thing that was unique 223 00:09:38,309 --> 00:09:35,449 about this is only the United States saw 224 00:09:42,759 --> 00:09:38,319 this a clip from this eclipse yeah and 225 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:42,769 and it just went right across so there 226 00:09:47,439 --> 00:09:44,689 were like I forget how many people 227 00:09:50,259 --> 00:09:47,449 gathered in Oregon but it was a huge 228 00:09:52,540 --> 00:09:50,269 crowd to see it there oh yeah it was 229 00:09:54,609 --> 00:09:52,550 like Burning Man it was like this you 230 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:54,619 know city 231 00:09:59,139 --> 00:09:57,290 Hopkinsville was another place in 232 00:10:02,139 --> 00:09:59,149 Kentucky where there was a famous you 233 00:10:06,369 --> 00:10:02,149 know UFO an alien kind of encounter out 234 00:10:07,989 --> 00:10:06,379 there but yeah so cool so great but I do 235 00:10:09,189 --> 00:10:07,999 have another cool story yeah sure oh 236 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:09,199 yeah we've got plenty of time at that 237 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:11,870 time so this is cool 238 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:15,529 this is something new so Sputnik 239 00:10:19,929 --> 00:10:17,689 International had this story and I 240 00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:19,939 wasn't aware of this case but I did find 241 00:10:28,329 --> 00:10:22,670 out other people world where and this is 242 00:10:31,540 --> 00:10:28,339 a Yugoslav general who says in 1975 they 243 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:31,550 chased around a UFO a couple times and 244 00:10:37,299 --> 00:10:34,610 then this UFO they saw several times a 245 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:37,309 really interesting story so I guess this 246 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:38,929 originally came out and Billy Cox 247 00:10:42,429 --> 00:10:40,610 luckily had written about it he's 248 00:10:44,439 --> 00:10:42,439 another UFO blogger 249 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:44,449 although I don't think he's blogging 250 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:46,610 about UFOs anymore but I did link to his 251 00:10:51,999 --> 00:10:48,649 story which is really cool so in a book 252 00:10:55,980 --> 00:10:52,009 in 2011 from this gentleman who was part 253 00:10:58,419 --> 00:10:55,990 of the 172nd Aviation Regiment of the 254 00:11:00,669 --> 00:10:58,429 Yugoslavia force he wrote a book about 255 00:11:03,429 --> 00:11:00,679 this regiment and one of the people he 256 00:11:06,340 --> 00:11:03,439 interviewed and it's extremely difficult 257 00:11:08,530 --> 00:11:06,350 to say this guy's name Jorge avec I 258 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:08,540 believe is how you say his last name I'm 259 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:11,210 gonna attempt the first name maybe I 260 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:12,530 will 261 00:11:18,550 --> 00:11:15,410 zon Amir vana me or something like that 262 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:18,560 but anyway he was the head of this group 263 00:11:23,170 --> 00:11:21,710 and among all of the things they talked 264 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:23,180 about in the book they dedicated a 265 00:11:29,650 --> 00:11:26,510 chapter to this UFO sighting and 266 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:29,660 experience that they had had in 1975 so 267 00:11:35,290 --> 00:11:33,290 it began in January of 1975 that during 268 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:35,300 their night routine or night flights 269 00:11:41,590 --> 00:11:38,570 fifty minutes after takeoff like almost 270 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:41,600 clockwork they said they would see this 271 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:43,730 a light or of this light it would flash 272 00:11:49,390 --> 00:11:47,930 different colors it was very visible not 273 00:11:52,830 --> 00:11:49,400 only he would see it but some of the 274 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:52,840 other pilots would see it and eventually 275 00:11:57,460 --> 00:11:55,610 one time flying past he decided I'm 276 00:11:59,140 --> 00:11:57,470 gonna go check this thing out because 277 00:12:01,300 --> 00:11:59,150 they just kind of took know but they 278 00:12:02,860 --> 00:12:01,310 didn't surprisingly you know make a big 279 00:12:05,890 --> 00:12:02,870 deal out of it I guess it didn't show up 280 00:12:08,050 --> 00:12:05,900 on radar but that one time he decides to 281 00:12:11,070 --> 00:12:08,060 go check it out he turns in the heads 282 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:11,080 towards the object and boom it's gone 283 00:12:18,430 --> 00:12:14,930 and it's not there anymore however they 284 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:18,440 did see the object again oh he decided 285 00:12:25,270 --> 00:12:22,730 to kind of try to trick it trap it or 286 00:12:27,790 --> 00:12:25,280 hunt it down but also you know they were 287 00:12:30,580 --> 00:12:27,800 suspecting that perhaps it was born it 288 00:12:32,230 --> 00:12:30,590 was some sort of monitoring device maybe 289 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:32,240 from the US or something like that 290 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:36,290 so what he decided to do he and another 291 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:39,410 pilot another jet took off and then soon 292 00:12:43,450 --> 00:12:41,690 after a couple more jets took off 293 00:12:45,130 --> 00:12:43,460 luckily he was in charge of the regiment 294 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:45,140 so he can do what he wants so they 295 00:12:49,090 --> 00:12:46,850 didn't tell anybody they were doing this 296 00:12:50,830 --> 00:12:49,100 and this was on purpose they didn't want 297 00:12:52,630 --> 00:12:50,840 to communicate with anybody 298 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:52,640 on the off-chance I guess there was a 299 00:12:56,050 --> 00:12:54,740 spy in the group but the other thing 300 00:12:58,210 --> 00:12:56,060 they didn't want to communicate over 301 00:13:01,330 --> 00:12:58,220 radio about what they were doing just in 302 00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:01,340 case your radio was being monitored so 303 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:03,080 they took off kind of in two different 304 00:13:07,570 --> 00:13:05,330 directions so they can kind of zoom in 305 00:13:10,270 --> 00:13:07,580 on this thing if it showed up sure 306 00:13:13,540 --> 00:13:10,280 enough it showed up they headed towards 307 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:13,550 it and it disappeared well it returned 308 00:13:18,370 --> 00:13:16,250 and during this experience they 309 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:18,380 eventually did get you know I guess 310 00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:20,060 talked to the base while they were doing 311 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:22,550 this and trying to chase it 312 00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:25,910 there were a couple Soviet MiG's that 313 00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:28,430 were sent from Belgrade to chase this 314 00:13:31,210 --> 00:13:29,600 thing because those things were much 315 00:13:33,819 --> 00:13:31,220 faster they were the fastest thing they 316 00:13:36,579 --> 00:13:33,829 had access to but even these jets which 317 00:13:38,769 --> 00:13:36,589 were supersonic could not catch catch 318 00:13:42,879 --> 00:13:38,779 this UFO it just disappeared and I guess 319 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:42,889 while the Soviets had blown out that was 320 00:13:48,850 --> 00:13:46,970 the only time that the object was caught 321 00:13:50,019 --> 00:13:48,860 on radar for a period of time but it 322 00:13:50,769 --> 00:13:50,029 didn't help because they just 323 00:13:53,850 --> 00:13:50,779 disappeared 324 00:13:56,980 --> 00:13:53,860 so that was their experience they land 325 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:56,990 he the general tells his colleagues and 326 00:14:04,180 --> 00:13:58,970 this general is a big deal he actually 327 00:14:11,019 --> 00:14:04,190 was was formerly the air force and air 328 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:11,029 defense commander at one point so and he 329 00:14:14,019 --> 00:14:12,290 said there were a lot of people that 330 00:14:15,939 --> 00:14:14,029 were asking questions about their 331 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:15,949 experience and were interested in it 332 00:14:20,530 --> 00:14:18,529 however there was a lot of people making 333 00:14:25,269 --> 00:14:20,540 fun of them over this whole thing as 334 00:14:27,130 --> 00:14:25,279 well and so he said he decided it was so 335 00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:27,140 much of a headache and a nuisance people 336 00:14:31,930 --> 00:14:29,600 making fun of them and it didn't seem to 337 00:14:35,199 --> 00:14:31,940 pose a danger that his orders were to 338 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:35,209 ignore it so he said the last time they 339 00:14:39,579 --> 00:14:37,610 saw it was on February 12th and luckily 340 00:14:41,819 --> 00:14:39,589 Billy o'clock Cox this wasn't something 341 00:14:45,009 --> 00:14:41,829 he'd told Sputnik but Billy Cox had a 342 00:14:47,050 --> 00:14:45,019 detailed translation of of what happened 343 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:47,060 on this last occurrence but the last 344 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:48,890 occurrence happens everybody I guess at 345 00:14:53,530 --> 00:14:51,890 the base sees it and they're saying what 346 00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:53,540 is this UFO should we go see it should 347 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:54,860 we go check it out and he's like no no 348 00:14:58,900 --> 00:14:56,690 he's totally ignoring it 349 00:15:00,280 --> 00:14:58,910 and people are like finally someone came 350 00:15:02,439 --> 00:15:00,290 to him and said look there's over a 351 00:15:05,050 --> 00:15:02,449 hundred men who see this thing why are 352 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:05,060 you saying you're not seeing it and he 353 00:15:13,780 --> 00:15:11,510 said that he in and very loudly you know 354 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:13,790 told everybody there's nothing going on 355 00:15:19,569 --> 00:15:16,910 there's nothing there ignore it get back 356 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:19,579 to work and that was it that was the 357 00:15:22,870 --> 00:15:21,170 last time they experienced it and he 358 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:22,880 told everybody that because he just 359 00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:24,889 didn't want to deal with the headache of 360 00:15:28,509 --> 00:15:26,720 it all which is something that we hear 361 00:15:31,750 --> 00:15:28,519 I've heard from people saying that I 362 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:31,760 hadn't destroyed of a Navy radar Tech 363 00:15:35,830 --> 00:15:34,310 that I knew and he worked on the dew 364 00:15:37,630 --> 00:15:35,840 line in the 60s during the 365 00:15:39,220 --> 00:15:37,640 old Warren you know this is kind of the 366 00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:39,230 edge of where we go to watch the 367 00:15:44,290 --> 00:15:42,800 Russians and his radar could go up into 368 00:15:46,510 --> 00:15:44,300 the sky quite a bit and they would 369 00:15:49,470 --> 00:15:46,520 detect you know quick moving things in 370 00:15:51,850 --> 00:15:49,480 fact his name was Franklin Carter and 371 00:15:53,230 --> 00:15:51,860 they called him Carter's contacts 372 00:15:55,270 --> 00:15:53,240 because whenever they saw one of these 373 00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:55,280 things zipping around they would call 374 00:15:57,850 --> 00:15:57,440 Carter up and say hey what's wrong with 375 00:16:00,010 --> 00:15:57,860 her 376 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:00,020 radar fix it and he would say well 377 00:16:04,990 --> 00:16:01,850 there's nothing wrong and so they called 378 00:16:07,090 --> 00:16:05,000 him Carter's contacts well they got a 379 00:16:09,370 --> 00:16:07,100 bunch of hack we're reporting it you 380 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:09,380 know people making fun of them and and 381 00:16:13,810 --> 00:16:12,170 all of this stuff so he finally got a 382 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:13,820 chance to ask some of the other radar 383 00:16:17,290 --> 00:16:15,770 texts aren't you experiencing this 384 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:17,300 aren't you capturing these things and 385 00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:19,370 they said yeah and he asked well what 386 00:16:21,970 --> 00:16:20,480 are you doing about it and they're like 387 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:21,980 nothing are you kidding we're not gonna 388 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:23,570 report something like that you know 389 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:24,800 we'll go through what you've gone 390 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:27,650 through and it'll be a nightmare so they 391 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:29,930 just didn't report on it and you know 392 00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:31,850 John Alexander is one of the guys who 393 00:16:35,740 --> 00:16:33,680 kind of talks about this that there's a 394 00:16:37,510 --> 00:16:35,750 lot of reasons that you know people in 395 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:37,520 the military and stuff kind of push 396 00:16:42,850 --> 00:16:39,890 these things under their carpet at times 397 00:16:47,070 --> 00:16:42,860 and a lot of them are just kind of he 398 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:47,080 calls it even a ignorant or you know 399 00:16:52,450 --> 00:16:50,330 kind of just human failings and that 400 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:52,460 they're embarrassed you know it has 401 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:54,530 happens with pilots and police officers 402 00:16:58,660 --> 00:16:56,330 I'm sure you've heard this too just 403 00:17:00,490 --> 00:16:58,670 people don't want that sort of notoriety 404 00:17:02,830 --> 00:17:00,500 and they don't want anything to do with 405 00:17:05,020 --> 00:17:02,840 it so they say hey you know I'm not 406 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:05,030 going to talk about this experience now 407 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:07,370 I wonder if they saw like with the radar 408 00:17:12,790 --> 00:17:10,130 if they saw you know like any unusual 409 00:17:16,780 --> 00:17:12,800 speeds or anything like that that didn't 410 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:16,790 make any sense yeah unfortunately we 411 00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:18,770 don't have that sort of detail he just 412 00:17:23,530 --> 00:17:20,000 said they captured it 413 00:17:25,449 --> 00:17:23,540 once the mix got in the air then they 414 00:17:26,830 --> 00:17:25,459 were able to capture it on radar and 415 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:26,840 that was the only time they were able to 416 00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:28,970 capture it on radar he didn't explain 417 00:17:33,130 --> 00:17:30,910 what they did but all he said was 418 00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:33,140 essentially that they out maneuvered to 419 00:17:40,450 --> 00:17:35,270 make the MiG's couldn't catch this thing 420 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:40,460 either amazing huh yeah really cool 421 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:44,450 story so we've got that @openmindtv so 422 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:45,770 people can read it with links to the 423 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:49,730 Billy Cox story and the US but Nick 424 00:17:54,190 --> 00:17:51,770 International story but you don't even 425 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:54,200 have to go there because I just gave it 426 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:56,330 all to you there in the one story no is 427 00:18:01,780 --> 00:17:58,610 Billy Cox he's the one in Florida am I 428 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:01,790 thinking right yeah he was with the 429 00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:05,210 Sarasota Herald Tribune that's what it 430 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:09,710 was it was a really good day he was 431 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:12,290 great you know he had done some things 432 00:18:16,510 --> 00:18:14,809 cuz he really was dogged about getting 433 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:16,520 interviewed with officials and stuff 434 00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,440 when things happen and sometimes he 435 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:20,480 would get those interviews so he was a 436 00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:22,730 great resource for once in a while you 437 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:24,320 know coming up with a kernel of 438 00:18:30,159 --> 00:18:26,990 information that others weren't able to 439 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:30,169 get and so and the stories were a lot of 440 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:33,410 fun but I guess he had some sort of 441 00:18:36,850 --> 00:18:34,970 falling-out with the paper even though 442 00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:36,860 he had done it for you for many many 443 00:18:42,430 --> 00:18:40,400 years and so he stopped doing it I tried 444 00:18:45,130 --> 00:18:42,440 my hardest to get him on my podcast but 445 00:18:48,220 --> 00:18:45,140 he just didn't want to do it but yeah a 446 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:48,230 lot of us who really Intel have been 447 00:18:52,419 --> 00:18:50,000 into this for a while really admire his 448 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:52,429 work yeah I know I said him an email one 449 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:53,809 time he never heard back from him I 450 00:18:59,710 --> 00:18:55,730 tried to get him on and speaking of that 451 00:19:01,630 --> 00:18:59,720 Nick Pope has not been on my show yeah I 452 00:19:04,210 --> 00:19:01,640 know I contacted him a number of times 453 00:19:06,340 --> 00:19:04,220 in each time he he will tell me that he 454 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:06,350 only does a certain you know certain few 455 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:08,240 shows yours being one of them and that's 456 00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:10,490 it so you're gonna have to be probably 457 00:19:15,610 --> 00:19:12,230 you're gonna have to get and get him on 458 00:19:18,430 --> 00:19:15,620 my show well when you say stuff like you 459 00:19:26,620 --> 00:19:18,440 know the moons right here by aliens he 460 00:19:28,990 --> 00:19:26,630 probably thinks you're a Google all 461 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:29,000 right i'lli'll thanks a lot and hey real 462 00:19:34,780 --> 00:19:30,650 quickly all right all the artists are 463 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:34,790 going to Budapest that's right that's 464 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:37,370 next week I like to say it like that 465 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:39,290 with some kind of weird accent I'm not 466 00:19:44,860 --> 00:19:41,510 sure if it's even real accent it's not 467 00:19:48,810 --> 00:19:44,870 Budapest Ian no I don't think so did you 468 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:48,820 ask the Budapest actually I it is that 469 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:51,200 accent and and saying is actually 470 00:19:55,659 --> 00:19:53,510 appropriate because it's for Mars I'm 471 00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:55,669 going to Mars and Mars happens to be in 472 00:20:00,700 --> 00:19:59,120 Budapest so you know sometimes I get to 473 00:20:02,890 --> 00:20:00,710 do these trips and stuff and I write on 474 00:20:03,539 --> 00:20:02,900 Huffington Post and sometimes on open 475 00:20:06,989 --> 00:20:03,549 minds if I can 476 00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:06,999 get people to talk about UFOs I do these 477 00:20:16,649 --> 00:20:12,840 these these press trips about science in 478 00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:16,659 Hollywood and there is a Mars television 479 00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:18,600 show it's on National Geographic 480 00:20:23,399 --> 00:20:21,220 actually and some of you might have seen 481 00:20:26,399 --> 00:20:23,409 it really cool because it's it's it's 482 00:20:28,289 --> 00:20:26,409 kind of like Band of Brothers if you 483 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:28,299 remember Band of Brothers kind of had at 484 00:20:31,950 --> 00:20:29,710 the beginning in the end they had 485 00:20:34,229 --> 00:20:31,960 interviews with real people so it was a 486 00:20:36,810 --> 00:20:34,239 little bit of a documentary in there at 487 00:20:40,169 --> 00:20:36,820 the be kind of bookending the drama and 488 00:20:43,019 --> 00:20:40,179 so this series about is about our first 489 00:20:44,639 --> 00:20:43,029 trip to Mars and it's very based on 490 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:44,649 science and everything and they have 491 00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:48,129 NASA and other scientists Elon Musk 492 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:50,529 isn't a lot of it talking about you know 493 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:52,330 their progress and what they're doing to 494 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:54,809 get to Mars and then the show is 495 00:20:59,340 --> 00:20:57,850 dramatizing you know our first first 496 00:21:00,799 --> 00:20:59,350 time we get people on Mars and the 497 00:21:04,259 --> 00:21:00,809 challenges and what it would be like 498 00:21:06,629 --> 00:21:04,269 really cool show so the first season has 499 00:21:08,430 --> 00:21:06,639 already aired and they're working on the 500 00:21:10,379 --> 00:21:08,440 second season so they're ready to 501 00:21:12,389 --> 00:21:10,389 promote that and that's why they're 502 00:21:15,749 --> 00:21:12,399 bringing some of us myself included to 503 00:21:18,529 --> 00:21:15,759 Budapest for a few days to spend a 504 00:21:22,529 --> 00:21:18,539 couple days on a static - the Martian 505 00:21:26,190 --> 00:21:22,539 set out there and so I'll be on Mars and 506 00:21:28,109 --> 00:21:26,200 I'll be tweeting and I should probably I 507 00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:28,119 don't use Instagram much but I should 508 00:21:33,269 --> 00:21:29,799 and and this one will definitely be 509 00:21:35,090 --> 00:21:33,279 photo licious so I'll use my Instagram 510 00:21:38,970 --> 00:21:35,100 but also Facebook I'll be sharing 511 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:38,980 pictures and stuff about my budapest 512 00:21:44,729 --> 00:21:42,129 Mars adventure awesome so I know you'll 513 00:21:47,460 --> 00:21:44,739 be heading back that the day of the show 514 00:21:49,889 --> 00:21:47,470 that we have 30th so you're probably 515 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:49,899 probably won't hear from you but you'll 516 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:53,049 be the yeah they travel I think I I land 517 00:21:57,749 --> 00:21:55,450 at around 3:30 so it'll be difficult for 518 00:22:01,080 --> 00:21:57,759 me to to do the show with your probable 519 00:22:04,229 --> 00:22:01,090 so see the week after all right well you 520 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:04,239 have a great one thanks so much all 521 00:22:11,070 --> 00:22:05,350 right thank you 522 00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:11,080 so our guest is Tiago Lewis I'm gonna 523 00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:11,710 get it wrong 524 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:16,240 Tahiti and he is like the almost like 525 00:22:22,990 --> 00:22:17,450 the Richard Dolan 526 00:22:25,779 --> 00:22:23,000 of of Brazil and it's great to have him 527 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:25,789 on again we tried to have him on a few 528 00:22:31,389 --> 00:22:27,940 weeks ago and it didn't work out and 529 00:22:33,899 --> 00:22:31,399 we're so glad that he was able to come 530 00:22:37,060 --> 00:22:33,909 back on welcome to the show 531 00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:37,070 thanks for thanking thanks for being on 532 00:22:45,370 --> 00:22:42,320 and and thanks for your patience this 533 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:45,380 time everything is working just fine so 534 00:22:51,159 --> 00:22:48,370 we shouldn't have any trouble at all so 535 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:51,169 my name is shaking your head you never 536 00:22:57,370 --> 00:22:55,370 know yeah yeah so can you tell the 537 00:23:00,970 --> 00:22:57,380 audience a little bit about your 538 00:23:02,649 --> 00:23:00,980 background you are in Brazil you have 539 00:23:05,889 --> 00:23:02,659 lived in a few different places in the 540 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:05,899 world but what sparked your interest in 541 00:23:14,970 --> 00:23:11,690 the UFO topic to begin with well I'm 542 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:14,980 living now in Brasilia Brazil sceptile 543 00:23:22,029 --> 00:23:18,049 but I'm here I'm from Rio de Janeiro I 544 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:22,039 was born in Rio Janeiro and my father 545 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:26,090 was a Air Force pilot so we move it a 546 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:29,690 lot in Brazil I live in in Natal is he 547 00:23:34,659 --> 00:23:32,090 went to the North State live in Santa 548 00:23:37,090 --> 00:23:34,669 Maria is a Hueber in the SU stage and a 549 00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:37,100 huge Janeiro and now I'm living in 550 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:41,120 Brasilia well I started to to get into 551 00:23:47,889 --> 00:23:44,630 ufology since I was a kid I think when I 552 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:47,899 learned to read I start to read comic 553 00:23:56,649 --> 00:23:52,490 books like spider-man and UFO magazines 554 00:24:00,600 --> 00:23:56,659 that we had here in Brazil and in ninety 555 00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:00,610 nine ninety 82 I had my first and only 556 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:06,169 sighting I saw a red red sphere coming 557 00:24:16,180 --> 00:24:09,500 from the sky and then fade away and then 558 00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:16,190 rise again get stronger and bigger at 559 00:24:21,549 --> 00:24:18,500 that other a red collar and the maker 560 00:24:24,850 --> 00:24:21,559 like her this movement and bit away from 561 00:24:28,299 --> 00:24:24,860 the from this path to the space and from 562 00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:28,309 now on I I get into the ufology very 563 00:24:34,889 --> 00:24:30,110 very serious 564 00:24:38,409 --> 00:24:34,899 first reading a lot and from my seventy 565 00:24:42,130 --> 00:24:38,419 but today I start to do research in 566 00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,140 Brasilia as well have you did you pardon 567 00:24:46,419 --> 00:24:44,480 me did you do any have you done any 568 00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:46,429 research in any other countries or do 569 00:24:55,509 --> 00:24:52,190 you just but you just focus on Brazil no 570 00:24:58,899 --> 00:24:55,519 just just in Brazil I I like to read and 571 00:25:07,210 --> 00:24:58,909 and study all the case out of the world 572 00:25:10,990 --> 00:25:07,220 but to be able to make us in in love in 573 00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:11,000 local investigation just in bruges ha ha 574 00:25:16,769 --> 00:25:14,350 so there has been some pretty amazing 575 00:25:19,419 --> 00:25:16,779 cases over the years starting up 576 00:25:23,169 --> 00:25:19,429 coincidentally I was looking online 577 00:25:24,460 --> 00:25:23,179 starting in 1947 same as Roswell it 578 00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:24,470 seems like that's when a lot of the 579 00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:27,620 sightings started the one that has 580 00:25:32,740 --> 00:25:29,630 intrigued me and I remember watching a 581 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:32,750 documentary on it and by the way can you 582 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:35,450 pronounce that your name so we know the 583 00:25:41,860 --> 00:25:37,690 right way to pronounce your name please 584 00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:41,870 it's chago Luis Chickasha boy did I ever 585 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:43,990 get that wrong I'm sorry about that 586 00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:46,850 so I'll get this one wrong too 587 00:25:57,879 --> 00:25:54,880 in 1997 there was a uragan de holanda 588 00:26:03,009 --> 00:25:57,889 did I get that even close he was a pilot 589 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:03,019 a retired pilot parachutist that had a 590 00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:07,010 sighting earlier in the Amazon and they 591 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:09,230 found him dead do you know who I'm 592 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:10,809 talking about 593 00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:21,370 yes is back in 1977 not night 1977 major 594 00:26:27,570 --> 00:26:23,960 by the time he was a captain captain 595 00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:27,580 we're done Jeju London he was assignment 596 00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:30,350 to investigate investigate some 597 00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:33,919 sightings in the culeros city in Perak 598 00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:39,980 state and he had a crew from militaries 599 00:26:47,530 --> 00:26:43,520 from Brazilian Air Force that 600 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:47,540 three months they study the sightings 601 00:26:54,250 --> 00:26:51,170 that was happened in calories deciding 602 00:26:59,170 --> 00:26:54,260 the deciding was colored the super super 603 00:27:02,680 --> 00:26:59,180 phenomenon because the lights shot some 604 00:27:09,270 --> 00:27:02,690 lights in the people's shoulders and 605 00:27:13,870 --> 00:27:09,280 necks and arms and the mayor of the city 606 00:27:17,410 --> 00:27:13,880 asked for help to the Brazilian Air 607 00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,420 Force and then they send the captain 608 00:27:23,290 --> 00:27:20,240 Hollander to investigate it it was 609 00:27:26,410 --> 00:27:23,300 amazing this amazing case in Brazil that 610 00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:26,420 we have a photos that have official 611 00:27:32,530 --> 00:27:29,390 reports but we're still looking for the 612 00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:32,540 film's because they did they showed some 613 00:27:43,540 --> 00:27:36,830 fear now how long of a time was that was 614 00:27:46,030 --> 00:27:43,550 that going on for Wow the investigation 615 00:27:48,220 --> 00:27:46,040 of this of Education of the plate 616 00:27:49,530 --> 00:27:48,230 operation this was the name of the 617 00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:49,540 operation 618 00:27:58,750 --> 00:27:55,310 starting October 1977 to the December of 619 00:28:01,560 --> 00:27:58,760 the same year but now we are sure that 620 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:01,570 when the Brazilian government stopped it 621 00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:05,840 to investigate the sightings we assured 622 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:09,440 that we have US military in Amazon 623 00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:14,450 investigated until 1982 so five years 624 00:28:24,730 --> 00:28:19,700 later they keep kept still in there the 625 00:28:28,510 --> 00:28:24,740 decide now did this take a real toll on 626 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:28,520 on him I mean I know that you know there 627 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:30,950 was speculation that he may have 628 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:33,050 committed suicide and this may have been 629 00:28:41,980 --> 00:28:35,210 related to it was there an investigation 630 00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:41,990 ongoing about that as well well he has 631 00:28:52,510 --> 00:28:49,600 some psychics and I had a depression and 632 00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:52,520 he committed suicide it's simpler like 633 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:56,120 that he was not murdered he was not 634 00:28:59,560 --> 00:28:57,290 poisoned 635 00:29:05,190 --> 00:28:59,570 he just committed suicide as well huh 636 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:05,200 but there was there was up the UFO case 637 00:29:09,610 --> 00:29:08,090 did it take a toll on him is that is 638 00:29:12,220 --> 00:29:09,620 that one I've been understanding in the 639 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:12,230 documentary they made it sound like this 640 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:14,690 led to his suicide now that may have 641 00:29:22,050 --> 00:29:17,510 been over exaggerated but what what do 642 00:29:26,550 --> 00:29:22,060 you know about that part of it no I 643 00:29:33,070 --> 00:29:30,160 after he gave out well he was the first 644 00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:33,080 person to give the documents to Burton 645 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:38,780 apologists but since then we got more 646 00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:42,650 than 400 pages 400 notes or 4,000 pages 647 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:46,550 of official documents after Brazilian 648 00:29:55,570 --> 00:29:51,410 government and a lot of them about the 649 00:29:57,940 --> 00:29:55,580 plate operation I don't think that's his 650 00:30:01,390 --> 00:29:57,950 suicide and the the document to release 651 00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:01,400 it or that he release it has something 652 00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:04,160 to do with the suicide I don't think so 653 00:30:07,930 --> 00:30:05,660 well you know that that may have just 654 00:30:10,570 --> 00:30:07,940 been to make the documentary more 655 00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:10,580 interesting they probably you know made 656 00:30:18,130 --> 00:30:14,960 that angle toward it but so the case was 657 00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:18,140 very interesting and never solved was 658 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:20,780 when you said there were beams of light 659 00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:23,210 or did you say did it actually injure 660 00:30:32,050 --> 00:30:28,880 people yes and two people got killed 661 00:30:35,890 --> 00:30:32,060 because anemia that when when they got 662 00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:35,900 shot at the beam the people got anemia 663 00:30:45,850 --> 00:30:41,140 and we just had one nurse in the city 664 00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:45,860 she would take care of shoot thousand 665 00:30:52,930 --> 00:30:50,240 people and there in the village so as we 666 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:52,940 know officially two people died because 667 00:31:00,520 --> 00:30:55,370 the name iya because was heated by the 668 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:00,530 beam but we are sure that probably many 669 00:31:05,470 --> 00:31:02,810 more people had died because of that but 670 00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:05,480 we never know do you know what the 671 00:31:10,899 --> 00:31:08,600 effect was were they saying it was 672 00:31:17,349 --> 00:31:10,909 similar to radiation poisoning 673 00:31:21,789 --> 00:31:17,359 or something no when the people got hit 674 00:31:25,869 --> 00:31:21,799 by the beam they lost blood they lost 675 00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:25,879 some fluids the people got very very 676 00:31:36,659 --> 00:31:30,830 weak and that we are talking about very 677 00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:36,669 inner city in Brazil in 1977 so we 678 00:31:43,149 --> 00:31:38,840 didn't have internet we didn't have a 679 00:31:46,469 --> 00:31:43,159 phone we didn't have commercial airlines 680 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:46,479 we didn't have it yeah until nowadays 681 00:31:55,649 --> 00:31:51,529 but to communicate it was very very poor 682 00:32:00,129 --> 00:31:55,659 the communication and it's almost 683 00:32:06,930 --> 00:32:00,139 impossible to get informations or your 684 00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:06,940 time so the people got sick got ill and 685 00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:12,200 just wonders to take care of it and as I 686 00:32:19,299 --> 00:32:16,840 as I said two people died officially but 687 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:19,309 we are pretty sure that we have more 688 00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:22,849 people that got anemia and got awake and 689 00:32:34,450 --> 00:32:29,679 got ill and finally there Wow and when 690 00:32:36,849 --> 00:32:34,460 would you say there was a dozen or more 691 00:32:39,219 --> 00:32:36,859 people that was involved in this 692 00:32:44,909 --> 00:32:39,229 sighting or did it was even a larger 693 00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:44,919 number than that much larger much larger 694 00:32:54,009 --> 00:32:48,409 just to have an idea the crew the crew 695 00:33:00,659 --> 00:32:54,019 of Captain Orlando was about six six men 696 00:33:04,989 --> 00:33:00,669 and the people of the village like to 697 00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:04,999 2,000 people in a village and Almo 698 00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:09,470 almost everyone I mean I prefer that a 699 00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:12,470 hundred percent at everybody in the 700 00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,369 village Sol so at least at one time the 701 00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,039 lights in the sky I'm not saying that 702 00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,159 all the the village ins were hit by the 703 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:24,640 beam but 704 00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:28,130 everyone there back the time saw the 705 00:33:33,580 --> 00:33:29,600 lights in the sky 706 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:33,590 Wow Wow that's something would you say 707 00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:36,170 that that is one of the most important 708 00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:44,000 cases of UFOs and in Brazil yes it is it 709 00:33:52,690 --> 00:33:48,880 is as a huge case in Brazil that was to 710 00:33:54,370 --> 00:33:52,700 researching it because as I said we're 711 00:33:59,140 --> 00:33:54,380 we're still looking for more documents 712 00:34:01,810 --> 00:33:59,150 that we know that exist is we're looking 713 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:01,820 for photos and looking for the films 714 00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,170 because captain Yolanda told us told ajj 715 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:08,480 fired and mackleton pitied the person 716 00:34:13,390 --> 00:34:11,210 apologies that was the first they were 717 00:34:17,140 --> 00:34:13,400 the first ones to know about the case 718 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:17,150 and the first the person that captain 719 00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:25,010 Lander asked it to tell the story so it 720 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:30,230 was a huge case that had the official 721 00:34:36,909 --> 00:34:33,770 operation a secret official operation 722 00:34:40,150 --> 00:34:36,919 and we're looking for the film's we know 723 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:40,160 who have films they film at UFOs a very 724 00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:43,130 close range of UFOs a huge beautiful 725 00:34:52,659 --> 00:34:47,350 like the size of a football field and 726 00:34:55,210 --> 00:34:52,669 very very different shapes of UFOs as 727 00:34:58,810 --> 00:34:55,220 well Wow when you say you're looking for 728 00:35:02,260 --> 00:34:58,820 the films is that is that close to being 729 00:35:04,690 --> 00:35:02,270 a possibility that well first of all you 730 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:04,700 think they exist but who would have 731 00:35:13,570 --> 00:35:08,330 those would the government have those of 732 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:13,580 Brazil well the captain Hollander gave 733 00:35:19,450 --> 00:35:15,890 all the films all the material that he 734 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:19,460 had the original material he makes some 735 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:22,450 copies of the the documents and photos 736 00:35:28,770 --> 00:35:25,850 but the original documents photos 737 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:28,780 documents and films he gave to his 738 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:33,650 superior to bring it to the coroner that 739 00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:37,609 was in charge of the Aegean region 740 00:35:46,059 --> 00:35:42,440 and my guess that all they lost the 741 00:35:50,109 --> 00:35:46,069 documents and the films or they gave two 742 00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:50,119 due to the US military's I think so the 743 00:35:53,529 --> 00:35:52,430 second the second option is more 744 00:35:55,029 --> 00:35:53,539 realistic Wow 745 00:36:04,630 --> 00:35:55,039 and why do you think they would give it 746 00:36:09,789 --> 00:36:04,640 to the US well in 1977 the Brazil didn't 747 00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:09,799 have much interest to have it why why 748 00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:13,670 why we have it if we don't do any type 749 00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:16,880 of research and there's a some kind of 750 00:36:26,589 --> 00:36:20,440 deal between the countries that I think 751 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:26,599 that this kind of information in 752 00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:29,210 exchange to something just something 753 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:30,680 else 754 00:36:38,019 --> 00:36:35,170 we gave the information to a higher or a 755 00:36:42,249 --> 00:36:38,029 powerful country in Brazil the case 756 00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:42,259 Raziel Brazil very is a lie of United 757 00:36:51,489 --> 00:36:48,049 States so in 1977 I think it it was not 758 00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:51,499 much more important give to to sa the 759 00:36:59,499 --> 00:36:55,599 documents to keep it because if we if we 760 00:37:02,920 --> 00:36:59,509 we kept it why you're gonna do it right 761 00:37:05,319 --> 00:37:02,930 right now someone in our chat room wants 762 00:37:09,249 --> 00:37:05,329 to know if the Brazilians have the same 763 00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:09,259 cynicism about UFOs as found in the US 764 00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:11,480 in other words is it a taboo subject 765 00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:18,380 there as well yeah yeah but to the 766 00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:21,880 Brazilian government UFOs 767 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:27,230 it's a matters we have as such huge 768 00:37:35,069 --> 00:37:31,249 problems in Brazil like economic social 769 00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:35,079 political problems in Brazil that UFOs 770 00:37:44,529 --> 00:37:38,660 don't come up in a first in a first 771 00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:44,539 sentence of the up problem so if yeah if 772 00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:47,720 we see a huge UFO crossing the skies of 773 00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:51,380 a Brasilia it's not more important 774 00:37:57,609 --> 00:37:53,420 that what art presents say about 775 00:38:01,509 --> 00:37:57,619 politicus about the economy so Brazil is 776 00:38:04,059 --> 00:38:01,519 not the country that the penetration 777 00:38:06,549 --> 00:38:04,069 about that height otally get that as a 778 00:38:09,970 --> 00:38:06,559 matter of fact in our country there was 779 00:38:12,549 --> 00:38:09,980 speculation that if Hillary Clinton was 780 00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:12,559 voted in as president that she was going 781 00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:15,950 to you know dig deeply into the UFO 782 00:38:20,499 --> 00:38:18,440 topic and I said a couple times on this 783 00:38:23,980 --> 00:38:20,509 show that you know anyone that takes 784 00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:23,990 over the office of presidency in the 785 00:38:27,249 --> 00:38:25,400 United States is going to have the tiger 786 00:38:28,690 --> 00:38:27,259 by the tail and so many other things on 787 00:38:31,390 --> 00:38:28,700 their plate that's going to be way way 788 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:31,400 down on the list unless there's you know 789 00:38:36,509 --> 00:38:33,130 something you know dramatically 790 00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:36,519 happening or if something happens but 791 00:38:44,109 --> 00:38:41,680 yeah angry and do you does your country 792 00:38:47,289 --> 00:38:44,119 work with any other countries I know 793 00:38:50,769 --> 00:38:47,299 Chile is you know on the same continent 794 00:38:56,309 --> 00:38:50,779 and they're very open to the UFO topic 795 00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:56,319 and they have that SEF AHA organization 796 00:39:05,680 --> 00:38:59,450 does Brazil ever do any type of work 797 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:05,690 with them in any type of way ah with 798 00:39:12,490 --> 00:39:10,250 other countries the Sheila has an 799 00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:12,500 official group a military official group 800 00:39:20,380 --> 00:39:16,640 to research UFO or why as well Peru as 801 00:39:25,269 --> 00:39:20,390 well but Brasilia but but Brazil we 802 00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:25,279 don't we too had use it to have Suwannee 803 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:29,150 and sakhani and we had at the plate 804 00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:33,849 operation but nowadays there's there's 805 00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:38,529 no one official there's no official 806 00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:43,400 research about it in 2013 we had a 807 00:39:50,319 --> 00:39:47,980 meeting at Brazilian Ministry of Defense 808 00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:50,329 was the first time that followed 809 00:40:00,279 --> 00:39:56,529 civilian apologies had a meeting with 810 00:40:04,570 --> 00:40:00,289 representatives of Army Air Force and 811 00:40:09,310 --> 00:40:04,580 Navy included the Brazilian government 812 00:40:11,530 --> 00:40:09,320 to create a kind of cooperation between 813 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:11,540 military and civilians of origin 814 00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:15,170 civilian of follow gist to investigate 815 00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:21,020 the UFOs well we try to we have two 816 00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:26,540 meetings but unfortunately we change our 817 00:40:35,290 --> 00:40:30,020 president we had impeachment in today 818 00:40:39,390 --> 00:40:35,300 last year so everyone that we know at 819 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:39,400 the Ministry of Defense lost their jobs 820 00:40:46,750 --> 00:40:42,530 well because the change we change a 821 00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:46,760 president so changing jobs and we start 822 00:40:51,130 --> 00:40:50,390 from the zero again and start from the 823 00:40:55,780 --> 00:40:51,140 beginning again 824 00:40:59,470 --> 00:40:55,790 and as I said we have a lot of problems 825 00:41:03,460 --> 00:40:59,480 in Brazil and UFO is not the one of them 826 00:41:05,410 --> 00:41:03,470 right now the the countries that's the 827 00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:05,420 largest country in South America isn't 828 00:41:15,810 --> 00:41:11,720 it isn't Brazil yeah and and what is the 829 00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:15,820 pop is a population really high or is it 830 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:19,910 it's not one of the really do you know 831 00:41:26,770 --> 00:41:23,890 the population size how many millions 832 00:41:30,310 --> 00:41:26,780 200 and 200 million wow that's that's a 833 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:30,320 lot Wow yes so what would you say the 834 00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:33,410 sightings are like there I know and you 835 00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:36,860 know in America we we have you know you 836 00:41:42,340 --> 00:41:39,350 can check with MUFON and you know Peter 837 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:42,350 Davenport site there's a lot of 838 00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:44,330 sightings per year are there a lot of 839 00:41:53,590 --> 00:41:48,950 sightings in Brazil overall yeah we have 840 00:41:57,310 --> 00:41:53,600 a lot but we don't have a database like 841 00:42:00,700 --> 00:41:57,320 gamma form and Dave Devonport we don't 842 00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:00,710 have it and and we need it 843 00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:04,910 I'm creditor of the fish 204 magazine in 844 00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:11,780 Brazil and we receive five to ten emails 845 00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:16,550 per day from people that think that saw 846 00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:19,000 something unusual in the sky 847 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:25,220 so if you do the math five a day three 848 00:42:32,349 --> 00:42:29,210 hundred two hundred six five in a year 849 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:32,359 we had almost yeah thousand almost 850 00:42:38,650 --> 00:42:35,450 thousand and five hundred sightings per 851 00:42:39,279 --> 00:42:38,660 year but they think it's much more than 852 00:42:42,490 --> 00:42:39,289 that 853 00:42:45,609 --> 00:42:42,500 because as I say Brazil is a huge 854 00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:45,619 country we we are the the fifth country 855 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:47,510 largest country in the world I didn't 856 00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:55,130 know that well yeah and we have regions 857 00:43:03,970 --> 00:42:58,760 in Brazil like Amazon like para like 858 00:43:10,660 --> 00:43:03,980 Hawaii Minh rondônia that people saw 859 00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:10,670 UFOs every day but they is so so normal 860 00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:15,200 to them to see it that they first they 861 00:43:22,779 --> 00:43:17,780 don't report because it's normal to them 862 00:43:27,130 --> 00:43:22,789 and second to who to whom they are going 863 00:43:33,339 --> 00:43:27,140 to report so we miss a lot of cases we 864 00:43:35,289 --> 00:43:33,349 miss a lot of reports and that's why we 865 00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,299 need a database like a more phone and 866 00:43:43,809 --> 00:43:38,480 then important to have so what you say 867 00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:43,819 that UFO magazine we're getting maybe up 868 00:43:49,809 --> 00:43:47,089 to five emails a day that's kind of a 869 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:49,819 strange place to report you know a UFO 870 00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:51,650 sighting well not really it's not really 871 00:43:57,609 --> 00:43:54,200 strange but I mean it's something that I 872 00:44:00,400 --> 00:43:57,619 would never think of if I saw a UFO if I 873 00:44:03,069 --> 00:44:00,410 didn't know there was any other you know 874 00:44:04,839 --> 00:44:03,079 places to contact for instance when I 875 00:44:08,140 --> 00:44:04,849 had a sighting I called the police 876 00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:08,150 department I didn't know who to call so 877 00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:11,420 when someone goes online and looks to 878 00:44:25,059 --> 00:44:22,120 well first of all when I receive the 879 00:44:30,299 --> 00:44:25,069 report we'll try to find some of follow 880 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:30,309 gist that we know that scan that can 881 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:32,210 look for the 882 00:44:38,020 --> 00:44:34,310 port and trying to figure out what what 883 00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:38,030 what was it was and the people really 884 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:43,700 don't have who to call as I said so they 885 00:44:50,530 --> 00:44:46,730 send an email or called to the office of 886 00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:50,540 the heavy gufu austin emailed to me in 887 00:45:01,390 --> 00:44:54,550 my facebook page or to another apologist 888 00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:01,400 but we're not able in in the most part 889 00:45:08,980 --> 00:45:04,640 of the cases we're not able to be there 890 00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:08,990 and investigated because we have to 891 00:45:15,579 --> 00:45:12,950 spend money or money our money we have 892 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:15,589 to spend time and had and i have to 893 00:45:29,230 --> 00:45:25,359 investigation and we don't have a time 894 00:45:31,870 --> 00:45:29,240 and money for that so many of the 895 00:45:34,930 --> 00:45:31,880 reports the people just email us and 896 00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:34,940 call us but we're trying to another 897 00:45:40,570 --> 00:45:38,510 fight to to analyze photos and the 898 00:45:44,349 --> 00:45:40,580 fields that's all it's very very 899 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:44,359 difficult to do a field research right 900 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:45,609 right I know that 901 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:49,010 MUFON does get reports from all over the 902 00:45:54,670 --> 00:45:51,410 world you know so I'm sure that probably 903 00:45:57,089 --> 00:45:54,680 some of them actually go to you know 904 00:46:01,150 --> 00:45:57,099 some of them that originated in Brazil 905 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:01,160 probably goes to them but are there any 906 00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:03,170 you know you just talked about the 907 00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:04,310 research and the money and all that 908 00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:09,190 other is yourself or any other 909 00:46:15,130 --> 00:46:12,460 colleagues of yours actually trying to 910 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:15,140 do the research I know it's a big 911 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:19,970 country but yeah yeah so it's only for a 912 00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:22,490 passion of it right I mean it's no money 913 00:46:27,339 --> 00:46:25,369 involved or anything like that just the 914 00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:27,349 curiosity can you explain some of the 915 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:31,089 cases that you've tried to investigate 916 00:46:39,130 --> 00:46:35,330 yeah the most case that anything to 917 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:39,140 gauge was here in Brasilia it's easy for 918 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:42,050 me to do it so here in Brasilia I had 919 00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:45,290 investigated almost 920 00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:49,100 to instituted three cases in ten years 921 00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:52,100 here in Brasilia and that we have a good 922 00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,390 to follow just in Brazil of my 923 00:46:59,070 --> 00:46:56,480 colleagues that investigate casein and 924 00:47:02,200 --> 00:46:59,080 some powder in Rio Janeiro miniaturize 925 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:02,210 we have a huge case in Brasilia like a 926 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:07,130 version a case and about tube and mainly 927 00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:10,970 mainly pilot sightings we have this we 928 00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:14,990 have this I mean this friendship with 929 00:47:21,730 --> 00:47:18,380 Brazilian pilots that they report their 930 00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:21,740 sightings to us just to us because they 931 00:47:31,110 --> 00:47:25,310 don't want publicity they want to they 932 00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:31,120 didn't want should have their names on 933 00:47:38,350 --> 00:47:33,950 newspapers because it's gonna be a 934 00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:38,360 problem to them so I had investigated it 935 00:47:45,010 --> 00:47:41,540 myself in Brasilia 2225 caters very 936 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:45,020 taste very interesting cases as well so 937 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:47,450 when the pilots have a sighting are you 938 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:50,210 talking about commercial pilots or 939 00:47:58,210 --> 00:47:55,850 military pilots both both my father was 940 00:48:03,610 --> 00:47:58,220 a Brazilian Air Force my father-in-law 941 00:48:06,940 --> 00:48:03,620 was a Brazilian Air Force pilot so I 942 00:48:11,790 --> 00:48:06,950 know mainly Brazilian Air Force pilots 943 00:48:16,030 --> 00:48:11,800 and from Air Force and now from civil 944 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:16,040 Airways and they know that I investigate 945 00:48:25,150 --> 00:48:22,130 UFOs and when they know some sighting or 946 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:25,160 a friend that had a sighting they 947 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:28,250 contact me and give me the contact Ana 948 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:33,530 and trying to investigate it now how 949 00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:35,210 does your family for instance your 950 00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:38,990 father feel about you investigating UFOs 951 00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:42,910 does he is he open-minded to it 952 00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:46,400 well my father passed away many many 953 00:48:54,820 --> 00:48:50,960 years ago when I was 19 years old he 954 00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:54,830 passed away now I'm 42 now sir but he 955 00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:57,680 was - no no problem he was the person 956 00:49:01,009 --> 00:48:59,099 that encouraged me to 957 00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:01,019 to to read about to follow gee he loved 958 00:49:09,319 --> 00:49:04,559 it he loves it follow Jane and I had the 959 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:09,329 book chairs of Gods Erich von däniken 960 00:49:17,509 --> 00:49:13,650 book ever and he had a sighting when he 961 00:49:23,749 --> 00:49:17,519 has when he was young he was not pilot 962 00:49:30,979 --> 00:49:23,759 yet but had a sighting with my uncle his 963 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:30,989 sister and he gave me all the 964 00:49:33,019 --> 00:49:32,729 opportunities he gave me books to read 965 00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:33,029 it 966 00:49:37,789 --> 00:49:34,619 and then my father was a very 967 00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:37,799 open-minded person my wife as well my 968 00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:40,380 wife support me my kids love this 969 00:49:46,999 --> 00:49:43,859 subject and my father-in-law as well he 970 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:47,009 gave me his testimony about his sighting 971 00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:49,410 for the first time he told you to some 972 00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:51,180 morning he told to me and I have a 973 00:50:03,289 --> 00:49:59,400 record of it in my YouTube page and I 974 00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:03,299 think my family support me you know and 975 00:50:08,269 --> 00:50:06,599 all about it no one calls crazy right 976 00:50:09,549 --> 00:50:08,279 right well that's good I'm glad to hear 977 00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:09,559 that 978 00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:14,910 now does Brazil have any military type 979 00:50:17,989 --> 00:50:15,660 sightings 980 00:50:20,359 --> 00:50:17,999 you know you here in the United States 981 00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:20,369 like white sands and you know you hear 982 00:50:26,839 --> 00:50:24,089 about also about nuclear warheads which 983 00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:26,849 up I don't think Brazil has any I'm not 984 00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:29,940 sure but but do you have like nuclear 985 00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:33,960 power plants there you know there are 986 00:50:37,609 --> 00:50:35,640 some nuclear power plant sightings 987 00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:37,619 things like that I mean what I'm getting 988 00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:40,859 at is there any like certain types of 989 00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:43,319 sightings that are really interesting 990 00:50:47,299 --> 00:50:45,420 along the lines of military or or 991 00:50:49,089 --> 00:50:47,309 nuclear power plants or anything like 992 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:49,099 that 993 00:50:57,799 --> 00:50:51,930 well we don't have a military plan and 994 00:50:59,779 --> 00:50:57,809 no pls we dont what we have to we but we 995 00:51:02,809 --> 00:50:59,789 have the technology of it we have the 996 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:02,819 atomic technology we do have what we 997 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:06,210 don't build atomic and nuclear bombs or 998 00:51:15,260 --> 00:51:12,930 weapons but we have intuition cases that 999 00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:15,270 to cordon and Brazilian Bay military 1000 00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:20,700 bases we have the the case the night of 1001 00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:24,510 UFOs we call here Brazil in 1986 where 1002 00:51:37,579 --> 00:51:32,819 more than 20 UFOs or saw bye-bye-bye 1003 00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:37,589 cool on the ground by pilots by military 1004 00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:44,000 pilots and five jet fighters was sent to 1005 00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:49,740 intercept the UFOs and was like a dog 1006 00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:53,700 dog cat fighting to try to try to 1007 00:52:01,400 --> 00:51:58,319 indentification the UFOs and we had 1008 00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:01,410 cases in santa maria he will sue that 1009 00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:06,599 UFO landed in in a base in the middle of 1010 00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:12,559 the base we have cases in in many cases 1011 00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:20,220 where the military in a land saw UFOs 1012 00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:23,640 over databases it's not it's not common 1013 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:27,089 but it's not rare someone made a point 1014 00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:30,210 on the message board that he wondered if 1015 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:33,230 pilots got together and in the group and 1016 00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:38,130 you know told their stories like if they 1017 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:41,609 could get through their union or you 1018 00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:44,250 know I mean I'm sure that Brazil has 1019 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:47,700 something similar to the FAA the Federal 1020 00:52:55,819 --> 00:52:52,890 Aviation that we have is it just taboo 1021 00:53:02,839 --> 00:52:55,829 across the board for pilots in every 1022 00:53:07,309 --> 00:53:02,849 which way it is it is when we win a 1023 00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:07,319 pilot commercial or military pilots 1024 00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:10,380 solve something in the sky they have to 1025 00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:16,400 make a report but many of them never do 1026 00:53:25,180 --> 00:53:21,030 because if they do the report first he 1027 00:53:26,289 --> 00:53:25,190 had to go under on the uprise scratch we 1028 00:53:36,219 --> 00:53:26,299 squash 1029 00:53:39,219 --> 00:53:36,229 go testers and had to I not lost their 1030 00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:39,229 jobs but the people start to look to 1031 00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:43,689 them like a crazy people a crazy person 1032 00:53:54,999 --> 00:53:50,049 so they is a huge taboo to the parents 1033 00:53:57,519 --> 00:53:55,009 not retired pilots not but the actual 1034 00:54:00,429 --> 00:53:57,529 pilots they don't want to talk about it 1035 00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:00,439 because they they think that they're 1036 00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,569 gonna lose their jobs it's a very good 1037 00:54:06,609 --> 00:54:04,880 it's a very very hard table here now I'm 1038 00:54:09,069 --> 00:54:06,619 just wondering like if there were two 1039 00:54:11,169 --> 00:54:09,079 you know a pilot in a co-pilot sitting 1040 00:54:12,969 --> 00:54:11,179 together they had a sighting and they 1041 00:54:17,009 --> 00:54:12,979 could cooperate perfectly with each 1042 00:54:21,099 --> 00:54:17,019 other it's still it's still an issue 1043 00:54:24,249 --> 00:54:21,109 well they prefer look to each other and 1044 00:54:27,509 --> 00:54:24,259 say why did you see I see nothing meet 1045 00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:27,519 you that's too bad it's really too bad 1046 00:54:35,289 --> 00:54:32,079 yeah what's it true yes the true yep and 1047 00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:35,299 you know it's funny we have a lot of 1048 00:54:41,259 --> 00:54:37,609 reasons in the United States why we 1049 00:54:44,229 --> 00:54:41,269 understand why that's the way it is you 1050 00:54:48,429 --> 00:54:44,239 know going all the way back to you know 1051 00:54:50,890 --> 00:54:48,439 the of course Project Blue Book that was 1052 00:54:53,439 --> 00:54:50,900 part of the deal when the the sightings 1053 00:54:55,299 --> 00:54:53,449 came flooding in they had to you know 1054 00:54:59,739 --> 00:54:55,309 explain them away to calm the people 1055 00:55:03,249 --> 00:54:59,749 down and then in 1953 there was the 1056 00:55:06,729 --> 00:55:03,259 Robertson panel you know which was all 1057 00:55:09,429 --> 00:55:06,739 about you know making humiliation out of 1058 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:09,439 UFO sightings to just you know make them 1059 00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:09,890 go away 1060 00:55:14,410 --> 00:55:11,900 was there anything like that as far as 1061 00:55:19,089 --> 00:55:14,420 you know in Brazil the reason there's so 1062 00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:19,099 much ridicule well we don't we don't 1063 00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:23,119 need a special project to do it if a 1064 00:55:34,509 --> 00:55:28,900 person come and say that I saw a UFO or 1065 00:55:39,609 --> 00:55:34,519 an alien all the media if paid attention 1066 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:39,619 to to to his report 1067 00:55:45,579 --> 00:55:42,410 it's gonna make a jerk of him yes that's 1068 00:55:49,779 --> 00:55:45,589 that's a hundred percent sure that's why 1069 00:55:52,019 --> 00:55:49,789 we fight we have a strong girl fight 1070 00:55:55,209 --> 00:55:52,029 show it 1071 00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,219 encourage people to come to us to follow 1072 00:56:00,249 --> 00:55:57,440 just we don't need we don't need 1073 00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:00,259 publicity we don't want publicity we 1074 00:56:05,859 --> 00:56:02,809 just want to understand the phenomenon 1075 00:56:11,170 --> 00:56:05,869 and we need the people report to us what 1076 00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:11,180 they saw and many people didn't do it 1077 00:56:19,150 --> 00:56:13,900 because they want they want to be 1078 00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:19,160 criticized ridiculous and be call like 1079 00:56:26,349 --> 00:56:23,119 crazy so we don't need a special project 1080 00:56:30,370 --> 00:56:26,359 to to do it we don't need it now what 1081 00:56:31,809 --> 00:56:30,380 about in the United States we have a lot 1082 00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:31,819 of people that think they're being 1083 00:56:36,579 --> 00:56:33,710 abducted 1084 00:56:39,579 --> 00:56:36,589 you know abductees or and I calm now 1085 00:56:43,170 --> 00:56:39,589 experiencers what's the situation like 1086 00:56:46,569 --> 00:56:43,180 in Brazil when it comes to that 1087 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:46,579 well the the abduction phenomena is the 1088 00:56:56,759 --> 00:56:50,569 same all of the world here in Brazil we 1089 00:57:00,729 --> 00:56:56,769 have a very very good doctors that 1090 00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,739 studied the case we can I can aim it at 1091 00:57:08,009 --> 00:57:03,680 Canada issue the motor can aim and my to 1092 00:57:12,339 --> 00:57:08,019 her in jail they are very very good 1093 00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:12,349 professionals that to this abductions in 1094 00:57:20,620 --> 00:57:14,809 in Brazil we have a lot we have a lot we 1095 00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,630 have I think just well and I said the 1096 00:57:26,140 --> 00:57:22,400 population often I'd say it's much 1097 00:57:28,569 --> 00:57:26,150 bigger than Brazil but we have many 1098 00:57:31,420 --> 00:57:28,579 cases of abduction in Brazil and I have 1099 00:57:35,319 --> 00:57:31,430 a phases famous cases we have Tony 1100 00:57:39,339 --> 00:57:35,329 villers-bocage cases that Brazil for 1101 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:39,349 miniaturize that had sexual relationship 1102 00:57:46,299 --> 00:57:44,210 with an alien being in 90 1957 so we 1103 00:57:48,989 --> 00:57:46,309 have a very important case about a bit 1104 00:57:53,230 --> 00:57:48,999 abductions in Brazil well I had no idea 1105 00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:53,240 and so but it's the same thing I'm sure 1106 00:57:59,740 --> 00:57:57,200 it'sit's uh as far as the ridicule goes 1107 00:58:03,430 --> 00:57:59,750 it must be the same how we think are 1108 00:58:05,470 --> 00:58:03,440 even more yeah yes yes because some 1109 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:05,480 people consider that the first part of 1110 00:58:10,930 --> 00:58:08,930 ufology some people don't but I'm 1111 00:58:13,660 --> 00:58:10,940 talking about in the United States so it 1112 00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,670 is always interesting to hear you know 1113 00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:15,440 different countries what's going on I 1114 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:18,440 know when I had class Vaughn from Sweden 1115 00:58:24,370 --> 00:58:21,770 he says he may get one or two abduction 1116 00:58:26,830 --> 00:58:24,380 cases reported per year 1117 00:58:28,510 --> 00:58:26,840 what about to the magazine do people 1118 00:58:34,450 --> 00:58:28,520 actually report abductions to the 1119 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:34,460 magazine yes we have many many many 1120 00:58:46,859 --> 00:58:42,770 reports but I can tell you 95% is we we 1121 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:46,869 can explain external as a lie as 1122 00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:51,650 imagination dreams and sleep peril of 1123 00:59:02,080 --> 00:58:56,830 these and that something normal at sea 1124 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:02,090 but we have a five percent that let's 1125 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:07,690 let's see twenty thirty cases a year 1126 00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:11,210 that's very interesting and we have to 1127 00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:14,960 look deeply to understand what's going 1128 00:59:19,420 --> 00:59:15,320 on 1129 00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:19,430 how much of your time is taken up in the 1130 00:59:25,630 --> 00:59:22,609 UFO topic I you know most people like 1131 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:25,640 myself I I have a you know a career and 1132 00:59:31,330 --> 00:59:28,010 then I do this show you know in another 1133 00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:31,340 show when I can 1134 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:34,310 so does this take up a lot of your time 1135 00:59:44,740 --> 00:59:39,530 your spare time off with the law I do 1136 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:44,750 not well I work a normal normal job ten 1137 00:59:54,670 --> 00:59:51,770 hours a day and I prefer spend most part 1138 00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:54,680 of my free time with my family I have to 1139 01:00:02,050 --> 00:59:58,640 care a boy of nine nine years old and uh 1140 01:00:05,890 --> 01:00:02,060 a little girl with a three years old and 1141 01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,900 my wife I prefer to spend my my most 1142 01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:07,040 part 1143 01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:12,230 of the free time with them and the rest 1144 01:00:23,140 --> 01:00:15,680 of time I spent with my my stuff's but I 1145 01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:23,150 do at least 10 minutes 15 minutes I see 1146 01:00:29,110 --> 01:00:26,150 something about your follow G or reading 1147 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:29,120 a case or reading a few pages of a book 1148 01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:38,570 or an email that I receive if you if you 1149 01:00:49,110 --> 01:00:43,910 do the math again well if they have 24 1150 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:49,120 hours 2 hours of follow you know my life 1151 01:00:54,220 --> 01:00:51,410 that's that's pretty fairness 1152 01:00:59,170 --> 01:00:54,230 well but but what but it wouldn't when I 1153 01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,180 own I get my retirement I gonna spend a 1154 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:02,000 lot of time and I yes I told you write 1155 01:01:10,780 --> 01:01:06,250 to my wife about that yeah yeah so when 1156 01:01:14,290 --> 01:01:10,790 when someone is doing the work like you 1157 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:14,300 have to do to research cases this is 1158 01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:17,090 this all done I mean you haven't 1159 01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:19,310 personally gone to research something 1160 01:01:26,170 --> 01:01:22,340 have you I'm thinking about Brazil how 1161 01:01:30,910 --> 01:01:26,180 large it is do you actually do some 1162 01:01:34,930 --> 01:01:30,920 research like feet on the ground yeah 1163 01:01:37,830 --> 01:01:34,940 yeah and my recession when I do my 1164 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:37,840 research I have to do on a weekend 1165 01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:41,690 Saturday sound a few times during the 1166 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:45,110 week but the weekends is when I when I 1167 01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:48,290 when I do my research if you had a 1168 01:01:57,210 --> 01:01:52,070 landing as well for example we have to 1169 01:02:01,840 --> 01:01:57,220 go there immediately when we have some 1170 01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:01,850 hard evidence I try to do my best to be 1171 01:02:09,340 --> 01:02:06,140 there as soon as possible and the few 1172 01:02:12,010 --> 01:02:09,350 research for me is a very important part 1173 01:02:15,970 --> 01:02:12,020 of the UFO investigation phenomena right 1174 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:15,980 now I know there was a trace case but 1175 01:02:20,420 --> 01:02:18,410 they it was controversial whether was a 1176 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:20,430 hoax or not where 1177 01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:24,890 in Brazil some UFO exploded in the the 1178 01:02:29,930 --> 01:02:28,200 the witness picked up some residue it 1179 01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:29,940 ended up being magnesium or something 1180 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:31,710 like that do you know the case I'm 1181 01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:35,490 talking about yeah if they were too 1182 01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:41,300 bulky it's that happened in 1957 as well 1183 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:44,280 we had this case that a UFO exploded 1184 01:02:55,780 --> 01:02:48,690 over the the beach and the someday 1185 01:03:01,570 --> 01:02:55,790 breeze came the most part of the breeze 1186 01:03:05,300 --> 01:03:01,580 down into the ocean and some part of it 1187 01:03:09,050 --> 01:03:05,310 felt on the beach and some people got it 1188 01:03:13,490 --> 01:03:09,060 and it's but it's a very controversial 1189 01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:13,500 case because Draya Simone Jeanne from 1190 01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:17,880 Argentina he claimed that he had a small 1191 01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:21,390 piece of the UFO from ubatuba and 1192 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:24,900 Jacques Vallee the French colleges 1193 01:03:33,860 --> 01:03:29,010 checker Valley came three months ago he 1194 01:03:37,310 --> 01:03:33,870 went to to Argentina and took up a small 1195 01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:37,320 piece of this debris B to make analysis 1196 01:03:45,620 --> 01:03:42,200 I think the case is true I think that 1197 01:03:51,070 --> 01:03:45,630 that really happened but I don't think 1198 01:03:59,720 --> 01:03:54,500 evidence some some debride nowadays I 1199 01:04:03,740 --> 01:03:59,730 think all that we had was used to to to 1200 01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:03,750 make the research back the time like the 1201 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:08,960 the couple Laura's coral and lorrison 1202 01:04:16,550 --> 01:04:13,050 coral and his husband her husband Jim 1203 01:04:19,870 --> 01:04:16,560 Cora and Jim Larson they took some of 1204 01:04:24,050 --> 01:04:19,880 the examples from a lot of pouches and 1205 01:04:26,420 --> 01:04:24,060 then destroy it destroyed the example 1206 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:26,430 during the research so I don't think 1207 01:04:32,940 --> 01:04:29,250 they're gonna find that this evidence 1208 01:04:39,660 --> 01:04:37,340 I know you know there's one of the 1209 01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:39,670 people I've had on my show in the past 1210 01:04:43,230 --> 01:04:41,200 said you know if there were so many 1211 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:43,240 crashes why isn't there any you know 1212 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:46,210 physical evidence there have been some 1213 01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:48,970 things brought forward and it sure would 1214 01:04:57,330 --> 01:04:53,530 be nice it seems like if there was ever 1215 01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:57,340 some hard evidence found you know 1216 01:05:02,670 --> 01:04:59,680 there's so many elements in the universe 1217 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:02,680 that we you know are aware of the only 1218 01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,330 thing that could be different if it was 1219 01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:06,880 extraterrestrial is the way it's 1220 01:05:13,140 --> 01:05:10,480 composed you know an alloy door whatever 1221 01:05:14,490 --> 01:05:13,150 to make something totally different but 1222 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:14,500 it's really you know when as magnesium 1223 01:05:19,260 --> 01:05:16,930 found if it still could be 1224 01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:19,270 extraterrestrial and magnesium is what 1225 01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:21,790 I'm getting at you know it's awful hard 1226 01:05:31,350 --> 01:05:27,910 to take evidence and prove that it's 1227 01:05:35,220 --> 01:05:31,360 extraterrestrial you know if it even if 1228 01:05:39,450 --> 01:05:35,230 it was yeah 1229 01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:39,460 the do but - but the breeze that could 1230 01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:42,480 the analysis showed that mechanism was 1231 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:49,270 19 99.9% pure that was impossible to 1232 01:05:58,410 --> 01:05:54,250 find in the the nature or impossible to 1233 01:06:02,030 --> 01:05:58,420 build it in 1957 I don't think if we can 1234 01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:02,040 do it nowadays but when we talk about 1235 01:06:10,890 --> 01:06:05,710 UFO crashes and we talk about a hard 1236 01:06:13,830 --> 01:06:10,900 evidences like touchable evidences we 1237 01:06:20,310 --> 01:06:13,840 have Roswell we have a roster in United 1238 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:20,320 States we have virgin in Brazil we have 1239 01:06:29,010 --> 01:06:25,090 the Handelsman and in in England so we 1240 01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:29,020 do have this evidence but when I say do 1241 01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:35,320 we I mean we as human beings as military 1242 01:06:38,460 --> 01:06:37,750 because civilians as you and me we don't 1243 01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:38,470 have it 1244 01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:46,480 possible 1245 01:06:54,780 --> 01:06:50,910 you know last week's last week's guest 1246 01:06:56,339 --> 01:06:54,790 MJ baniyas was on I don't I know you 1247 01:06:58,290 --> 01:06:56,349 listen to the show I don't know if you 1248 01:07:01,020 --> 01:06:58,300 was able to to catch that one in 1249 01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:01,030 particular apart yeah our times 1250 01:07:08,130 --> 01:07:06,670 so his one of his theories is that he 1251 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:08,140 doesn't think they're extraterrestrial 1252 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:10,210 he he thinks there's something else or 1253 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:12,490 he thinks that it's something that we 1254 01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:14,170 kind of create which i thought was 1255 01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,630 interesting I love to hear interesting 1256 01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:18,640 views whether I agree with them or not 1257 01:07:27,089 --> 01:07:23,680 in general would you say that a lot of 1258 01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:27,099 ufologists in Brazil are think it's an 1259 01:07:39,060 --> 01:07:33,760 extraterrestrial theory yeah I think the 1260 01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:39,070 most part believe this way but not my 1261 01:07:51,690 --> 01:07:46,900 opinion I'm very open mind about it we 1262 01:07:55,770 --> 01:07:51,700 cannot say that the from other planet 1263 01:08:00,200 --> 01:07:55,780 because we don't have the proof we 1264 01:08:04,140 --> 01:08:00,210 cannot say that they did probably they 1265 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:04,150 can be ourselves coming from the future 1266 01:08:11,250 --> 01:08:08,290 and when I when I do my lectures I give 1267 01:08:16,170 --> 01:08:11,260 this example like Back to the Future 1268 01:08:19,709 --> 01:08:16,180 theory theory we we can we can come to 1269 01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,719 the past but we cannot change the past 1270 01:08:30,690 --> 01:08:22,080 because it's going to change the future 1271 01:08:34,410 --> 01:08:30,700 so this being this these beings must can 1272 01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:34,420 be extraterrestrial can be ourselves 1273 01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:37,980 from the future came can be from 1274 01:08:44,729 --> 01:08:40,290 parallel universes 1275 01:08:48,030 --> 01:08:44,739 we we cannot claim until you have the 1276 01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:48,040 evidence and that we don't have it yes I 1277 01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:52,089 I agree and it's a you know the question 1278 01:08:59,579 --> 01:08:54,250 always comes up whether it's a skeptic 1279 01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:59,589 or whether it's a you know someone 1280 01:09:03,390 --> 01:09:00,400 trying to do 1281 01:09:06,300 --> 01:09:03,400 the case or whatever it is but it does 1282 01:09:09,090 --> 01:09:06,310 come up a lot as why is it so elusive 1283 01:09:12,780 --> 01:09:09,100 you know why why after all these years 1284 01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:12,790 you know going back to 1947 for modern 1285 01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:16,750 UFO ufology going all the way back to 1286 01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:19,600 that time 70 years and we still don't 1287 01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:22,810 have the answer do you think the answer 1288 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:25,630 will come eventually or do you think 1289 01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:36,510 now it's gonna come in in a way or 1290 01:09:51,060 --> 01:09:44,190 another way why I think that we have a 1291 01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:51,070 very a very very difficult here many 1292 01:09:56,330 --> 01:09:55,510 people ask me if the aliens are good are 1293 01:10:01,980 --> 01:09:56,340 bad 1294 01:10:05,790 --> 01:10:01,990 why what's their agenda well in my 1295 01:10:10,290 --> 01:10:05,800 opinion they they are not good if they 1296 01:10:17,610 --> 01:10:10,300 were they help us to to clean the planet 1297 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:17,620 as for example to stop disasters if they 1298 01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:22,690 were bad they probably would try to kill 1299 01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:28,000 us and conquer the planet and what 1300 01:10:35,850 --> 01:10:30,490 what's their agenda we don't know in my 1301 01:10:39,330 --> 01:10:35,860 opinion they come to our planet do what 1302 01:10:42,290 --> 01:10:39,340 they have to do they leave it they don't 1303 01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:42,300 want to come here to say hi my name is 1304 01:10:48,690 --> 01:10:46,320 something like that I'm from Planet X 1305 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:48,700 and I want to be your friend no they 1306 01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:53,730 don't want it no not these civilizations 1307 01:11:02,160 --> 01:10:58,290 these realizations that come to earth 1308 01:11:05,420 --> 01:11:02,170 they just come here do what they have to 1309 01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:05,430 do and live it they don't to be seen 1310 01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:08,620 they don't want to be disturbed they 1311 01:11:14,190 --> 01:11:12,130 want to make friendship they just have 1312 01:11:17,370 --> 01:11:14,200 come here do it 1313 01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:17,380 what they have to do and leave and we 1314 01:11:25,860 --> 01:11:19,840 have that imagination from Raleigh's 1315 01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:25,870 films and the human nature why they come 1316 01:11:35,780 --> 01:11:29,460 why didn't why why they didn't land in a 1317 01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:35,790 yards of the White House why they don't 1318 01:11:41,610 --> 01:11:38,560 stay in it in the sky - I provided to 1319 01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:41,620 see it but they didn't want it I think 1320 01:11:46,860 --> 01:11:43,690 it's very very very simple like that and 1321 01:11:47,580 --> 01:11:46,870 many people don't don't like to be 1322 01:11:49,860 --> 01:11:47,590 simple 1323 01:11:53,670 --> 01:11:49,870 I think it's an answer now they don't 1324 01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:53,680 want to show up hmm sometimes someday in 1325 01:12:00,420 --> 01:11:56,320 a future maybe something in the future 1326 01:12:04,650 --> 01:12:00,430 maybe we find which we probably find 1327 01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:04,660 them and they well they found us so 1328 01:12:14,370 --> 01:12:10,030 let's say hi probably now now actually 1329 01:12:16,980 --> 01:12:14,380 now today they just want to do what they 1330 01:12:21,090 --> 01:12:16,990 have to do do it you know I brought this 1331 01:12:23,820 --> 01:12:21,100 up a few times on this show about 25 or 1332 01:12:26,940 --> 01:12:23,830 30 years ago I had an insurance agent 1333 01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:26,950 come to my house and we were in this 1334 01:12:32,250 --> 01:12:30,490 conversation and just a general 1335 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:32,260 conversation at that time I was not 1336 01:12:36,620 --> 01:12:34,210 really into UFOs or anything you know I 1337 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:36,630 had a sighting not that long ago back in 1338 01:12:41,660 --> 01:12:39,250 2006 that really got me interested in it 1339 01:12:44,430 --> 01:12:41,670 but prior to that I just you know I 1340 01:12:47,070 --> 01:12:44,440 listened to you know a few things and 1341 01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:47,080 kind of you know nonchalantly pay 1342 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:50,560 attention well he told me that he was 1343 01:12:58,650 --> 01:12:56,050 part of a secret military department 1344 01:13:02,490 --> 01:12:58,660 while he was in Vietnam that was a 1345 01:13:05,970 --> 01:13:02,500 branch of the Air Force that was 1346 01:13:09,660 --> 01:13:05,980 studying UFOs in Vietnam as I said 1347 01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:09,670 really you know I had had no idea you 1348 01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:10,960 know much about him and I can't remember 1349 01:13:14,340 --> 01:13:12,730 his name I can't figure out how to get 1350 01:13:18,780 --> 01:13:14,350 ahold of my love to try to reach out to 1351 01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:18,790 him now but anyway he basically said 1352 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:22,300 that the government's closest theory 1353 01:13:26,850 --> 01:13:24,610 because I asked him why why would they 1354 01:13:27,959 --> 01:13:26,860 be here and he said you know basically 1355 01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:27,969 it boiled down to 1356 01:13:33,569 --> 01:13:31,329 is that we're being observed that's all 1357 01:13:35,219 --> 01:13:33,579 and that's all they that's what he 1358 01:13:40,489 --> 01:13:35,229 claimed that's all the government knew 1359 01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:40,499 about it yes is there a reasonable I 1360 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:43,090 mean that would that would only make 1361 01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:46,570 sense for the fact that they are so 1362 01:13:50,729 --> 01:13:48,820 elusive if they were being observed but 1363 01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:50,739 they certainly aren't hiding if that's 1364 01:13:56,219 --> 01:13:54,070 the case you know especially there's a 1365 01:14:01,229 --> 01:13:56,229 you know UFOs with lights 1366 01:14:02,580 --> 01:14:01,239 you know blinking lights so they're not 1367 01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:02,590 they're not really hiding and there's 1368 01:14:11,009 --> 01:14:08,710 daylight sightings and so so what do you 1369 01:14:18,450 --> 01:14:11,019 think about do you think that that is a 1370 01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:18,460 possibility yeah yeah I do but market 1371 01:14:28,890 --> 01:14:23,260 you have to well let let me be clear 1372 01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:28,900 translated Portuguese to English we have 1373 01:14:39,959 --> 01:14:34,329 cars we had cars back to the 40s to the 1374 01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:39,969 80s to the nineties in our cars were 1375 01:14:49,219 --> 01:14:43,210 getting technology now we have cars much 1376 01:14:59,219 --> 01:14:49,229 better than we had 15 years ago correct 1377 01:15:03,689 --> 01:14:59,229 and in parallel of that we have made any 1378 01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:03,699 many sightings much more sightings in my 1379 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:07,510 opinion 20 30 years ago then you have 1380 01:15:16,109 --> 01:15:13,050 today and many people ask me well yeah 1381 01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:16,119 in the 80s we had much more photos an 1382 01:15:23,819 --> 01:15:20,530 insider than today at the time many 1383 01:15:27,689 --> 01:15:23,829 people's much more people saw UFOs in 1384 01:15:30,180 --> 01:15:27,699 the sky and now stay we don't see it why 1385 01:15:34,969 --> 01:15:30,190 they are not coming to earth know you 1386 01:15:38,669 --> 01:15:34,979 might be know their UFOs their machines 1387 01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:38,679 gain technology as well the development 1388 01:15:44,669 --> 01:15:41,650 technology now is now 1389 01:15:49,470 --> 01:15:44,679 I think that some UFOs and I'm seeing 1390 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:49,480 some because I believe that many civil 1391 01:15:56,419 --> 01:15:54,130 civilizations of beings or extra show or 1392 01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:56,429 parallels 1393 01:16:06,870 --> 01:15:59,920 world something like that are visiting 1394 01:16:12,689 --> 01:16:06,880 our visiting our planet so their 1395 01:16:16,830 --> 01:16:12,699 technology gets gained was very very 1396 01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:16,840 very development that nowadays they 1397 01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:21,520 became invisible to our eyes and I given 1398 01:16:33,540 --> 01:16:26,489 an example last year a crew of 1399 01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:33,550 helicopter in England humid a UFO in a 1400 01:16:44,459 --> 01:16:40,000 in a infrared camera the UFO was side by 1401 01:16:47,070 --> 01:16:44,469 side of the helicopter and no one and 1402 01:16:49,709 --> 01:16:47,080 the crew inside of the helicopter saw 1403 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:49,719 the UFO just the machine just a camera 1404 01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:53,770 just a camera saw it so I think that 1405 01:17:01,169 --> 01:16:58,719 their technology are so much advanced 1406 01:17:04,220 --> 01:17:01,179 advanced that hours that they became 1407 01:17:08,250 --> 01:17:04,230 they became invisible to our eyes and 1408 01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:08,260 you you must remember that film called 1409 01:17:14,610 --> 01:17:12,070 the predator that's that alien had the 1410 01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:14,620 camouflage right I think they have this 1411 01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:18,550 they I think they many UFOs have this 1412 01:17:26,370 --> 01:17:23,560 technology the camouflage so we don't do 1413 01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:26,380 that we don't see it often because you 1414 01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:27,040 can see it 1415 01:17:32,459 --> 01:17:30,760 they became invisible to our that's you 1416 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:32,469 know a lot of people don't realize this 1417 01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:35,170 but we have this you know this visible 1418 01:17:43,229 --> 01:17:38,770 spectrum which is I forget exactly what 1419 01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:43,239 it is but we can only see certain you 1420 01:17:49,020 --> 01:17:47,440 know wavelengths you know so it is very 1421 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:49,030 there's a lot of things that are out 1422 01:17:55,609 --> 01:17:52,330 there that we can't see basically yeah 1423 01:18:00,350 --> 01:17:55,619 yeah yeah III think that 1424 01:18:05,949 --> 01:18:00,360 that we forget we're getting we are 1425 01:18:09,919 --> 01:18:05,959 reaching a time that the UFOs would be 1426 01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:09,929 invisible to everybody they must be in 1427 01:18:16,179 --> 01:18:13,260 the sky but we can see it all all the 1428 01:18:19,879 --> 01:18:16,189 thoughts all the civilizations that 1429 01:18:23,119 --> 01:18:19,889 aliens that beings that came to earth to 1430 01:18:29,239 --> 01:18:23,129 just watch it this just come here to 1431 01:18:32,419 --> 01:18:29,249 watch study or our behavior or our day 1432 01:18:35,569 --> 01:18:32,429 by day and that's it right right 1433 01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:35,579 except when it comes to the possible 1434 01:18:40,879 --> 01:18:38,699 abduction part of it you know that that 1435 01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:40,889 part is a real mystery 1436 01:18:45,759 --> 01:18:43,679 you know I've I've had a few people on 1437 01:18:49,399 --> 01:18:45,769 over the years where we talked about 1438 01:18:50,750 --> 01:18:49,409 abduction cases you know Jacobs and a 1439 01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:50,760 few others 1440 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:53,280 and yeah you know there's all types of 1441 01:18:58,159 --> 01:18:56,010 speculation on that the thing you know 1442 01:19:00,350 --> 01:18:58,169 that baffles me is why is the same 1443 01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:00,360 person abducted over and over again you 1444 01:19:06,139 --> 01:19:03,840 know and that's you know there's answers 1445 01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:06,149 for that according to you know the 1446 01:19:11,389 --> 01:19:08,820 people doing the research so yeah it's 1447 01:19:14,179 --> 01:19:11,399 it's bizarre stuff so now what about UFO 1448 01:19:16,609 --> 01:19:14,189 flaps in Brazil are there any areas and 1449 01:19:23,330 --> 01:19:16,619 times where there was flaps in a certain 1450 01:19:29,719 --> 01:19:23,340 area oh yeah we had very very a lot of 1451 01:19:34,299 --> 01:19:29,729 UFO flap so we had in 82 over the south 1452 01:19:40,009 --> 01:19:34,309 of Brazil and Southwest and have an 86 1453 01:19:44,350 --> 01:19:40,019 we had in 1991 over the the center of 1454 01:19:48,589 --> 01:19:44,360 Brazil and the last one we had was in 1455 01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:48,599 2014 before the World Cup in Brazil we 1456 01:19:56,089 --> 01:19:52,110 had it in the wiffle cross s all of 1457 01:19:59,419 --> 01:19:56,099 Brazil from the oil Pok it's a city in 1458 01:20:01,790 --> 01:19:59,429 the north of Brazil to issue e in the 1459 01:20:07,089 --> 01:20:01,800 south of Brazil we had more than 200 1460 01:20:09,150 --> 01:20:07,099 sightings in 15 days that's amazing and 1461 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:09,160 yeah in Brazil 1462 01:20:17,010 --> 01:20:12,490 you know Brazil's a very big bigger 1463 01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:17,020 country so to 200 reports in 15 days a 1464 01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:20,910 lot of things right right now and uh and 1465 01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:25,600 current times what type of craft I'm not 1466 01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:27,910 talking about lights in the sky but now 1467 01:20:32,910 --> 01:20:29,920 let's talk about when people see some 1468 01:20:34,590 --> 01:20:32,920 type of shape are they seeing the 1469 01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:34,600 triangle that everybody's seeing are 1470 01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:37,000 they seeing disks what what are cigars 1471 01:20:48,210 --> 01:20:41,920 what type of shapes are they seeing well 1472 01:20:52,980 --> 01:20:48,220 in Brazil triangle is not common we hear 1473 01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:52,990 say the reports then the most part of is 1474 01:21:00,540 --> 01:20:58,210 like shares lot of lights but we had a 1475 01:21:04,410 --> 01:21:00,550 lot of flying like this like flying 1476 01:21:07,410 --> 01:21:04,420 saucers like discus and we have some 1477 01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:07,420 cigars it's not common as well but many 1478 01:21:13,740 --> 01:21:10,660 many the most cases are from us fierce 1479 01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:13,750 model flights and flying the flying 1480 01:21:19,020 --> 01:21:15,550 saucers they have the classical flying 1481 01:21:20,910 --> 01:21:19,030 saucers right right now here there's a 1482 01:21:25,250 --> 01:21:20,920 lot going on with what they call the 1483 01:21:29,550 --> 01:21:25,260 orange orbs does anyone talk about that 1484 01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:29,560 yeah we heard you have you do hear that 1485 01:21:35,010 --> 01:21:32,830 yeah but triangles you say or not or no 1486 01:21:36,930 --> 01:21:35,020 that's funny it seems like there's quite 1487 01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:36,940 a few triangles in the United States and 1488 01:21:41,670 --> 01:21:39,250 that's another kind of curious thing 1489 01:21:44,010 --> 01:21:41,680 when it comes to sightings and crafts 1490 01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:44,020 that people claim they see when they see 1491 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:46,210 it in one country not another that just 1492 01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:48,130 makes it even the whole thing even 1493 01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,290 crazier yeah why would they visit you 1494 01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:55,120 know why would triangles visit this area 1495 01:22:01,320 --> 01:21:57,730 and a different shape crap visit that 1496 01:22:03,330 --> 01:22:01,330 area you know that type of thing the 1497 01:22:05,730 --> 01:22:03,340 sighting that you claimed that you had 1498 01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:05,740 years ago you said that was a red was at 1499 01:22:12,660 --> 01:22:09,490 a red orb in the red sphere 1500 01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:12,670 yeah it's fear 90 80 - yeah very sheer 1501 01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:17,860 and and it's a very amazing sighting and 1502 01:22:27,700 --> 01:22:21,890 I was with I was if my my brother and 1503 01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,710 a few friends that I was 18 18 e is I'll 1504 01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:29,600 say can you hold on just one second here 1505 01:22:34,450 --> 01:22:31,760 we have someone that's up that's calling 1506 01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:34,460 in so we have someone calling in for a 1507 01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:38,690 question hello caller you are you are 1508 01:22:42,610 --> 01:22:41,330 live on the air and why don't you tell 1509 01:22:46,990 --> 01:22:42,620 us your first name and where you're 1510 01:22:52,830 --> 01:22:47,000 calling from hi my name is Jonathan I've 1511 01:22:56,380 --> 01:22:52,840 called him once before last week and I 1512 01:22:59,760 --> 01:22:56,390 my name is Jonathan like I said and I am 1513 01:23:04,960 --> 01:22:59,770 just wanting to hi I'm just wanting to 1514 01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:04,970 speak about because relating to the orbs 1515 01:23:09,190 --> 01:23:07,490 that your guest was speaking about and 1516 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:09,200 the orange orbs that you said that were 1517 01:23:19,690 --> 01:23:14,810 quite prominent I I saw one of those in 1518 01:23:22,060 --> 01:23:19,700 my mid-teens but I've never really 1519 01:23:26,290 --> 01:23:22,070 spoken about this before I never spoken 1520 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:26,300 about it to anybody and I suppose I just 1521 01:23:33,340 --> 01:23:31,370 wanted to explain the the few 1522 01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:33,350 experiences short experiences that I 1523 01:23:41,460 --> 01:23:36,250 have had what your thoughts are on them 1524 01:23:45,940 --> 01:23:41,470 yeah so yeah okay fantastic 1525 01:23:48,910 --> 01:23:45,950 now my first experiences was when I was 1526 01:23:51,580 --> 01:23:48,920 a child I have been like seven or eight 1527 01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:51,590 years old living at home with parents 1528 01:23:59,140 --> 01:23:54,050 and I slept on the top floor so 1529 01:24:02,890 --> 01:23:59,150 semi-detached house and tiny village you 1530 01:24:08,590 --> 01:24:02,900 know maybe a hundred houses houses on 1531 01:24:10,030 --> 01:24:08,600 that cul-de-sac and I was living on the 1532 01:24:14,050 --> 01:24:10,040 borders between Sheffield and 1533 01:24:16,060 --> 01:24:14,060 Huddersfield and middle of the night and 1534 01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:16,070 you know everything was quiet so 1535 01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:19,280 everyone must have been asleep and my 1536 01:24:25,330 --> 01:24:22,510 curtains were drawn so this one wasn't 1537 01:24:29,020 --> 01:24:25,340 necessarily a UFO they actually saw it 1538 01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:29,030 was more of an experience but yeah I I 1539 01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:31,370 opened my eyes and seconds later a 1540 01:24:40,300 --> 01:24:35,890 bright light 1541 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:40,310 Rose slowly rose up from underneath my 1542 01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:44,570 window and stopped for a few seconds and 1543 01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:46,910 then rose back up and then glider back 1544 01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:50,960 down and it was gone and that's the only 1545 01:24:54,580 --> 01:24:52,850 one that actually scared the life out of 1546 01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:54,590 me I couldn't move I couldn't close my 1547 01:25:02,530 --> 01:24:58,210 eyes I I was scared to death 1548 01:25:05,070 --> 01:25:02,540 now I've got a lot of experience in in 1549 01:25:08,110 --> 01:25:05,080 the music industry and with lighting and 1550 01:25:11,020 --> 01:25:08,120 if it was say for example a torch which 1551 01:25:15,070 --> 01:25:11,030 shining up shining it down that's fine 1552 01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:15,080 but that creates that would basically 1553 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:16,850 cover the whole window because there's a 1554 01:25:21,670 --> 01:25:19,010 garden and then was a street behind it 1555 01:25:25,870 --> 01:25:21,680 so you couldn't really shine a light 1556 01:25:28,450 --> 01:25:25,880 directly into the window but again that 1557 01:25:31,390 --> 01:25:28,460 would create a fade effect around the 1558 01:25:34,690 --> 01:25:31,400 edges if it was smaller if the beam was 1559 01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:34,700 small enough but it wasn't it was a 1560 01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:41,360 solid white bar it was very close it 1561 01:25:47,890 --> 01:25:43,730 must have been or it was a beam I don't 1562 01:25:52,630 --> 01:25:47,900 know but that there was no fade off at 1563 01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:52,640 all so it was a solid beam and it like I 1564 01:25:58,630 --> 01:25:56,090 say went from below my window up to the 1565 01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:58,640 middle of my window stopped and then 1566 01:26:06,430 --> 01:26:01,760 went up and then back down so that was 1567 01:26:09,190 --> 01:26:06,440 my first one when I was a child I had 1568 01:26:14,440 --> 01:26:09,200 one in my mid-teens like I said the the 1569 01:26:17,260 --> 01:26:14,450 orb and it was quite interesting that 1570 01:26:21,010 --> 01:26:17,270 was saw the thing that sort of really 1571 01:26:23,950 --> 01:26:21,020 really made me think I was living in 1572 01:26:32,620 --> 01:26:23,960 Liverpool this time as my family moved 1573 01:26:35,790 --> 01:26:32,630 and it was maybe it was just it was it 1574 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:35,800 was on a winter's night it was dark so 1575 01:26:42,990 --> 01:26:39,770 it but people were still up so must have 1576 01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:43,000 been about eight and nine o'clock and I 1577 01:26:48,540 --> 01:26:46,370 was looking out my window there were 1578 01:26:52,150 --> 01:26:48,550 fireworks 1579 01:26:58,300 --> 01:26:52,160 because yes so it was so it was near 1580 01:27:04,750 --> 01:26:58,310 bonfire night and the and I looked so 1581 01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:04,760 from my left it was a solid glowing 1582 01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:08,330 orange orb like a burnt orange and it 1583 01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:10,490 made absolutely no sound it moved in a 1584 01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:13,280 continuous direction from my upper left 1585 01:27:19,060 --> 01:27:16,480 corner from behind the house and 1586 01:27:21,010 --> 01:27:19,070 continued slowly I mean it must have 1587 01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:21,020 been what 10 20 miles an hour it's 1588 01:27:26,260 --> 01:27:24,080 really slow quite 1589 01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:26,270 I wouldn't say large it was maybe the 1590 01:27:32,110 --> 01:27:28,850 size of I mean judging from what I was 1591 01:27:37,690 --> 01:27:32,120 seeing maybe the size of half a house or 1592 01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:37,700 a house maybe 30 or 40 feet above the 1593 01:27:47,710 --> 01:27:42,730 rooftops and it just carried on going 1594 01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:47,720 slowly I ran into my parents bathroom I 1595 01:27:52,030 --> 01:27:50,210 mean daddy was having a shave and I was 1596 01:27:53,950 --> 01:27:52,040 like come and see us go and see this and 1597 01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:53,960 yeah he's like no I'm shaving I've 1598 01:28:02,410 --> 01:27:58,130 caught myself now I mean you know yeah 1599 01:28:06,630 --> 01:28:02,420 and I run back in and I could still see 1600 01:28:09,820 --> 01:28:06,640 it going into the distance that was the 1601 01:28:11,530 --> 01:28:09,830 first time I ever saw an orb and it was 1602 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:11,540 at night how many years ago was this a 1603 01:28:20,230 --> 01:28:14,770 lot I mean years ago was this Jonathan I 1604 01:28:25,870 --> 01:28:20,240 was 15 so and I'm 33 now so it was 18 1605 01:28:32,170 --> 01:28:25,880 years ago the last one was literally a 1606 01:28:36,370 --> 01:28:32,180 few years ago it was 2013 and it was 1607 01:28:40,750 --> 01:28:36,380 broad daylight it was cloudy ish so this 1608 01:28:42,460 --> 01:28:40,760 still breaks MacLeod and I caught it by 1609 01:28:46,630 --> 01:28:42,470 chance because I was walking up the 1610 01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:46,640 stairs I was living in an apartment and 1611 01:28:49,570 --> 01:28:48,110 I was walking up the stairs there's a 1612 01:28:52,530 --> 01:28:49,580 there's a window at the top of those 1613 01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:52,540 stairs and I saw something moved quickly 1614 01:28:59,860 --> 01:28:57,650 like really quickly so I sort of mistook 1615 01:29:02,360 --> 01:28:59,870 it for a bird you know when you see a 1616 01:29:05,900 --> 01:29:02,370 bird fly past your window 1617 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:05,910 it was that speed and because it was 1618 01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:07,650 dark as well 1619 01:29:21,250 --> 01:29:13,890 the the object and it flew well straight 1620 01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:21,260 past and it went it went straight and 1621 01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:26,400 then arced up into the distance it must 1622 01:29:34,250 --> 01:29:30,060 have been gone it was gone up into the 1623 01:29:36,860 --> 01:29:34,260 horizon you know through the clouds well 1624 01:29:41,170 --> 01:29:36,870 as far as I could see in in maybe 15 1625 01:29:44,780 --> 01:29:41,180 seconds and that was a metallic orb 1626 01:29:45,740 --> 01:29:44,790 solid because it was in that with the 1627 01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:45,750 brakes and the cloud 1628 01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:47,610 the Sun was reflecting off so it was 1629 01:29:57,140 --> 01:29:54,930 actually a metallic orb and I watched 1630 01:30:02,300 --> 01:29:57,150 that go into the distance and yeah 1631 01:30:04,430 --> 01:30:02,310 that's the last time I ever saw a UFO 1632 01:30:05,959 --> 01:30:04,440 but then I gonna really got into PCs and 1633 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:05,969 music production and sound engineering 1634 01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:07,170 so it's probably the last time I ever 1635 01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:09,920 looked out my window do you have any 1636 01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:18,840 feedback for him well first of all John 1637 01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:25,410 Muir College on you are looking at you 1638 01:30:31,130 --> 01:30:28,080 saw three times a UFO how many men you 1639 01:30:34,610 --> 01:30:31,140 follow just never see never saw one and 1640 01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:34,620 well why the other one was I couldn't 1641 01:30:38,090 --> 01:30:36,360 say it was a UFO because obviously there 1642 01:30:39,050 --> 01:30:38,100 was something obviously if something out 1643 01:30:42,110 --> 01:30:39,060 of the ordinary 1644 01:30:46,430 --> 01:30:42,120 that's certainly that would me at least 1645 01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:46,440 to secondly I was missing dick that 1646 01:30:58,220 --> 01:30:50,070 accent because I lived in London and I 1647 01:31:02,890 --> 01:30:58,230 had all my British accent 20 miles from 1648 01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:02,900 London so yeah III I live in Kent there 1649 01:31:09,470 --> 01:31:06,810 well I live in the nettlestone in the 1650 01:31:14,689 --> 01:31:09,480 South I leave it there are a year and a 1651 01:31:15,620 --> 01:31:14,699 half and and your sight is very very 1652 01:31:20,540 --> 01:31:15,630 interesting 1653 01:31:24,380 --> 01:31:20,550 yes the the second sighting was a huge 1654 01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:24,390 orb the size of a house isn't it yes as 1655 01:31:31,150 --> 01:31:27,290 our issue it's amazing it's amazing and 1656 01:31:39,610 --> 01:31:31,160 what what impressed me most the most is 1657 01:31:43,010 --> 01:31:39,620 that many times just one person's solid 1658 01:31:47,210 --> 01:31:43,020 we would be talking about a huge orb the 1659 01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:47,220 size of a house and in just Jonathan saw 1660 01:31:55,190 --> 01:31:51,930 it I okay it's it's night but where are 1661 01:31:56,090 --> 01:31:55,200 the people that did it didn't see the 1662 01:31:59,000 --> 01:31:56,100 sky 1663 01:32:03,650 --> 01:31:59,010 well maybe other people did see it but I 1664 01:32:05,570 --> 01:32:03,660 was 15 and you know I didn't I you know 1665 01:32:07,370 --> 01:32:05,580 I just moved into the area didn't really 1666 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:07,380 speak to any of the other kids and stuff 1667 01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:14,010 so it was you know it was sort of I was 1668 01:32:17,780 --> 01:32:16,080 you know I I don't know if I'm the only 1669 01:32:22,630 --> 01:32:17,790 person that saw it but I'm the only 1670 01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:22,640 person that I know this or but what if 1671 01:32:34,130 --> 01:32:29,840 someone else had to had saw it probably 1672 01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:34,140 you would heard about it because it not 1673 01:32:43,670 --> 01:32:38,850 it was not a small a small evil force 1674 01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:43,680 most fearsome it's huge and the meteor 1675 01:32:51,980 --> 01:32:47,730 was get attention of that but some 1676 01:32:55,220 --> 01:32:51,990 mazing amazing sightings and and as I 1677 01:33:00,370 --> 01:32:55,230 said we have a many type of UFOs and 1678 01:33:05,630 --> 01:33:00,380 this this and this orbs are getting much 1679 01:33:08,830 --> 01:33:05,640 again it's getting a much space in the 1680 01:33:10,730 --> 01:33:08,840 you have UFO sightings 1681 01:33:16,820 --> 01:33:10,740 they certainly are 1682 01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:16,830 i I'm seeing quite a few odd pictures of 1683 01:33:22,370 --> 01:33:19,440 them and videos 1684 01:33:26,180 --> 01:33:22,380 I think the negative side is that 1685 01:33:29,070 --> 01:33:26,190 there's so many YouTube sites and so 1686 01:33:36,900 --> 01:33:31,920 so much misinformation out there with 1687 01:33:38,729 --> 01:33:36,910 CGI and incredibly blurry lights that 1688 01:33:43,700 --> 01:33:38,739 could easily be planes or helicopters 1689 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:43,710 and they are you know after attention or 1690 01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:47,050 or just to spread misinformation that's 1691 01:33:53,310 --> 01:33:49,450 I think that's disappointing for the 1692 01:33:55,229 --> 01:33:53,320 validity of people that see we and have 1693 01:33:58,530 --> 01:33:55,239 real experiences yeah 1694 01:34:00,750 --> 01:33:58,540 hey Jonathan so you you are your 1695 01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:00,760 position is perfect it's perfect 1696 01:34:09,500 --> 01:34:05,890 Jonathan it's perfect we have nowadays 1697 01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:09,510 Internet and the Internet 1698 01:34:20,220 --> 01:34:14,050 YouTube for example we have instantly 1699 01:34:23,959 --> 01:34:20,230 100 in 100 films on YouTube one must be 1700 01:34:29,220 --> 01:34:23,969 real the rest is a fake was drawn was 1701 01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:29,230 airplane or something else in Europe 1702 01:34:34,260 --> 01:34:32,560 your words are very correct hey John 1703 01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:34,270 Jonathan thank you so much for calling 1704 01:34:41,610 --> 01:34:38,410 in no problem thank you very much in 1705 01:34:44,850 --> 01:34:41,620 good to be clear Ian cheers mate no 1706 01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:44,860 worries have a very nice look yes so 1707 01:34:50,370 --> 01:34:48,489 actually we want to make sure that when 1708 01:34:51,630 --> 01:34:50,380 callers call in I mean that was nice to 1709 01:34:54,540 --> 01:34:51,640 hear the siting and everything but we 1710 01:34:56,810 --> 01:34:54,550 usually want questions so if you if 1711 01:35:02,550 --> 01:34:56,820 anyone wants to call in with questions 1712 01:35:06,660 --> 01:35:02,560 for our guest of that number 603 967 403 1713 01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:06,670 oh but so yeah it's always interesting 1714 01:35:13,370 --> 01:35:08,800 to hear about different sightings going 1715 01:35:16,229 --> 01:35:13,380 back to Brazil and sightings in Brazil 1716 01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:16,239 what do you think besides of the ones 1717 01:35:20,150 --> 01:35:17,770 we've already talked about what do you 1718 01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:20,160 think are some real outstanding cases 1719 01:35:28,650 --> 01:35:24,489 that have happened over the years yeah 1720 01:35:33,209 --> 01:35:28,660 Brazil we have logic aids logic aids it 1721 01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:33,219 is the Brazilian Roswell we had a UFO 1722 01:35:43,250 --> 01:35:41,290 crash we have three alien beans cabbage 1723 01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:43,260 what year was this by the 1724 01:35:54,300 --> 01:35:50,650 in 1996 in Virginia City we had this 1725 01:36:00,510 --> 01:35:54,310 case and three beings captured chewed 1726 01:36:05,010 --> 01:36:00,520 that anyone alive and we had cover up 1727 01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:05,020 our almost perfect Cobra from the 1728 01:36:15,410 --> 01:36:08,890 Brazilian government supported by the US 1729 01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:15,420 military government as well we know that 1730 01:36:25,470 --> 01:36:20,890 the UFO and the beings were sent to USA 1731 01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:25,480 we know that because in that day in that 1732 01:36:37,050 --> 01:36:32,050 in those days as a special crew from 1733 01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:37,060 NASA and on a market airplane from the 1734 01:36:49,500 --> 01:36:42,480 United States arrived at in Beijing 1735 01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:49,510 Airport and we have usual not not usual 1736 01:36:59,240 --> 01:36:55,110 move movement in the city we had 1737 01:37:03,120 --> 01:36:59,250 military that died because he touched 1738 01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:03,130 touch it one of the aliens things over 1739 01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:07,210 one of the creatures the case is this it 1740 01:37:10,350 --> 01:37:09,400 is still we have a lot of information 1741 01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:10,360 about the case 1742 01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:15,250 but as plate operation we're still 1743 01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:18,490 looking for more we're looking for the 1744 01:37:24,660 --> 01:37:22,090 reports from the Persian army because 1745 01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:24,670 the Brazilian Army took the detailing 1746 01:37:34,710 --> 01:37:28,000 the aliens and sent to to United States 1747 01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:34,720 and when we ask him ask the Brazilian 1748 01:37:40,590 --> 01:37:38,410 Army whether the the reports and they 1749 01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:40,600 say well that's nothing nothing what 1750 01:37:51,980 --> 01:37:46,290 happened they blame it a person that had 1751 01:37:56,490 --> 01:37:51,990 some some physical problems that he was 1752 01:37:59,850 --> 01:37:56,500 the aliens that to a little girl saw but 1753 01:38:03,180 --> 01:37:59,860 know that it's a lie and I still looking 1754 01:38:05,010 --> 01:38:03,190 for in the will we get him much more 1755 01:38:08,430 --> 01:38:05,020 information on it now this wasn't the 1756 01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:08,440 one that were they saw the beings one of 1757 01:38:13,230 --> 01:38:12,610 them in a tree is it like climbed a tree 1758 01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:13,240 or something 1759 01:38:21,810 --> 01:38:16,080 no I thinking of something different 1760 01:38:25,170 --> 01:38:21,820 those Wow one of the beans was saw in a 1761 01:38:29,610 --> 01:38:25,180 zoo for a lady for an old lady 1762 01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:29,620 one of one of the beings what took in a 1763 01:38:38,490 --> 01:38:32,890 wood they was copy captured you know in 1764 01:38:41,970 --> 01:38:38,500 a wood uses in a net and trigger saw one 1765 01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:41,980 of the beings crouched it in the side of 1766 01:38:48,780 --> 01:38:45,970 a wall and the creature had red eyes 1767 01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:48,790 like the devil or some tweet-tweet 1768 01:38:55,500 --> 01:38:51,670 yeah I did hear about that yeah and 1769 01:39:01,890 --> 01:38:55,510 three three balls and you know in a head 1770 01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:01,900 so this case is amazing case is recently 1771 01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:03,040 case 1996 1772 01:39:12,270 --> 01:39:07,170 well Rosa happened in 1947 and just in 1773 01:39:16,590 --> 01:39:12,280 97 six just must have come to to tell 1774 01:39:18,990 --> 01:39:16,600 the story so this case happened 996 and 1775 01:39:24,750 --> 01:39:19,000 I'm still looking for more information 1776 01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:24,760 and I think in this case would be bigger 1777 01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:25,540 than it was Oh 1778 01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:29,530 now did wasn't there a documentary or a 1779 01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,050 TV series like UFO Hunters or something 1780 01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:34,480 like that that did that did a show on 1781 01:39:45,570 --> 01:39:41,970 this yeah yeah we had several shows 1782 01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:45,580 broadcast by History Channel or net geo 1783 01:39:55,170 --> 01:39:49,090 or Discovery Channel that showed this 1784 01:39:59,550 --> 01:39:55,180 case and but we don't have we do we do 1785 01:40:05,220 --> 01:39:59,560 have I think Bruce Maccabee wrote a book 1786 01:40:10,140 --> 01:40:05,230 about the case but it was 1996 we have 1787 01:40:13,740 --> 01:40:10,150 much more information out and I think we 1788 01:40:18,899 --> 01:40:13,750 we must have another book about the case 1789 01:40:22,500 --> 01:40:18,909 in English she show the people of all of 1790 01:40:25,050 --> 01:40:22,510 Brazil that this case Israel in their 1791 01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:25,060 important case right right 1792 01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:28,239 now when the I don't know if it was 1793 01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:30,489 military or whoever it was that touched 1794 01:40:37,890 --> 01:40:34,960 the supposed being you said that they 1795 01:40:43,459 --> 01:40:37,900 died how long after and what are they 1796 01:40:49,050 --> 01:40:43,469 what did they die from well he got sick 1797 01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:49,060 a week later he touched the the creature 1798 01:41:02,250 --> 01:40:57,610 and two months later he died his the 1799 01:41:07,050 --> 01:41:02,260 paper they said the cause of mortis said 1800 01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:07,060 the infection she there are always an 1801 01:41:17,220 --> 01:41:12,250 infection and he was buried not in the 1802 01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:17,230 in a normal coffee made by by would his 1803 01:41:26,330 --> 01:41:22,719 Casa was made by meto to not poison the 1804 01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:26,340 land what was that 1805 01:41:38,750 --> 01:41:32,320 interesting why a person was buried in a 1806 01:41:43,220 --> 01:41:38,760 casket made by iron if had just 1807 01:41:44,459 --> 01:41:43,230 infection why did the worried do not 1808 01:41:49,140 --> 01:41:44,469 poison 1809 01:41:53,490 --> 01:41:49,150 or contaminate the land the soil well 1810 01:41:56,370 --> 01:41:53,500 and he told before he died he told to 1811 01:42:00,090 --> 01:41:56,380 his family that he had touched the 1812 01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:00,100 creature oh is that right and he's yeah 1813 01:42:09,709 --> 01:42:04,090 his name was Shirazi so they're sure as 1814 01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:09,719 he and we choose talking with his sister 1815 01:42:17,220 --> 01:42:15,310 and she said to her that is true he he 1816 01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:17,230 told us that had touched the creature 1817 01:42:23,810 --> 01:42:19,810 and he got sick and then two months 1818 01:42:28,430 --> 01:42:23,820 later he was dead well some 1819 01:42:33,580 --> 01:42:28,440 wanted me to ask about a cart a kar T do 1820 01:42:39,470 --> 01:42:33,590 you know what he's talking about call a 1821 01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:39,480 well okay if you're listening I think 1822 01:42:46,370 --> 01:42:41,010 I'm just trying to see who it was that 1823 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:46,380 was asking Mike Mike in the chat room 1824 01:42:55,370 --> 01:42:49,290 can you please describe the question you 1825 01:42:58,970 --> 01:42:55,380 have over again on that so someone was 1826 01:43:02,540 --> 01:42:58,980 saying that there was some cave drawings 1827 01:43:08,660 --> 01:43:02,550 in Brazil is that in the Amazon do you 1828 01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:08,670 that look like flying something maybe 1829 01:43:14,959 --> 01:43:10,290 UFOs or something - are you familiar 1830 01:43:20,839 --> 01:43:14,969 with anything about that yeah I'm a zoom 1831 01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:20,849 a Muslims a beard and is the size of 1832 01:43:28,879 --> 01:43:26,130 almost the whole Europe Muslims he is 1833 01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:28,889 huge and the Amazon has a lot of 1834 01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:32,489 mysteries and some people say and some 1835 01:43:40,819 --> 01:43:33,510 people saw it 1836 01:43:46,129 --> 01:43:40,829 earful diving and rising from lakes and 1837 01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:46,139 rivers in Amazon we recently found we 1838 01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:50,610 found some evidence of pyramids in 1839 01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:56,250 Amazon and caves in Amazon that the app 1840 01:44:03,709 --> 01:43:59,760 attends the loco evidence believe that 1841 01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:03,719 had there are the home of people that 1842 01:44:13,399 --> 01:44:10,380 come from inner inner world and but as I 1843 01:44:16,069 --> 01:44:13,409 said is so you you have to see Amazon 1844 01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:16,079 from the boat to see what I'm talking 1845 01:44:23,810 --> 01:44:20,639 about you just when you fly over Amazon 1846 01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:23,820 we don't you you don't see the land we 1847 01:44:32,839 --> 01:44:28,770 just see the the top of the trees it's a 1848 01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:32,849 very very very huge place cover of the 1849 01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:35,040 trees and that we can see that the land 1850 01:44:41,660 --> 01:44:37,920 so it's a perfect place 1851 01:44:45,169 --> 01:44:41,670 to hide very very very perfect place to 1852 01:44:49,540 --> 01:44:45,179 hide right right absolutely and it 1853 01:44:52,340 --> 01:44:49,550 stretches on and on and on right so 1854 01:44:55,250 --> 01:44:52,350 let's see let's talk about some we have 1855 01:44:57,770 --> 01:44:55,260 about just over ten minutes left 1856 01:45:03,500 --> 01:44:57,780 here so it goes fast doesn't it okay 1857 01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:03,510 okay yeah okay yeah we're good right if 1858 01:45:08,810 --> 01:45:05,489 anyone would like to call in to ask our 1859 01:45:14,300 --> 01:45:08,820 guest a question that number is six zero 1860 01:45:17,450 --> 01:45:14,310 three nine six seven four OH three Oh 1861 01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:17,460 or you can Skype in at Marty Willis 1862 01:45:23,890 --> 01:45:22,050 that's ma RT y wi ll is either way you 1863 01:45:26,689 --> 01:45:23,900 can call in to ask our guest a question 1864 01:45:30,530 --> 01:45:26,699 again we have about ten minutes left 1865 01:45:32,689 --> 01:45:30,540 did you ever did you write a book I'm 1866 01:45:34,780 --> 01:45:32,699 sorry I know I did the research on you a 1867 01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:34,790 couple weeks ago when the show crashed 1868 01:45:41,930 --> 01:45:36,960 did you have you written any books on 1869 01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:41,940 UFOs yes I wrote eight books about the 1870 01:45:48,590 --> 01:45:46,170 UFOs Wow okay in Portuguese I have to 1871 01:45:50,660 --> 01:45:48,600 translate in English oh the people are 1872 01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:50,670 gonna know me 1873 01:45:59,150 --> 01:45:54,210 I wanna well one of the books was about 1874 01:46:04,850 --> 01:45:59,160 was about UFO typology the other one was 1875 01:46:07,700 --> 01:46:04,860 about alien typology typology the other 1876 01:46:10,490 --> 01:46:07,710 one's about UFO crashes and I have two 1877 01:46:14,930 --> 01:46:10,500 about you have a question there the 1878 01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:14,940 first one I wrote in 2002 and this one's 1879 01:46:26,050 --> 01:46:21,810 a second edition in 2014 and I have four 1880 01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:26,060 other books about UFO general subjects 1881 01:46:32,450 --> 01:46:29,250 cases and the researches and stuff like 1882 01:46:37,820 --> 01:46:32,460 that but Allah I wrote eight books and 1883 01:46:40,580 --> 01:46:37,830 finish my my nice book and on to the end 1884 01:46:43,970 --> 01:46:40,590 of the year one hour Wow 1885 01:46:45,380 --> 01:46:43,980 I know how much time that can take just 1886 01:46:47,330 --> 01:46:45,390 from people I talked to 1887 01:46:50,140 --> 01:46:47,340 someone wanted to know and I think this 1888 01:46:51,950 --> 01:46:50,150 is actually a really good question 1889 01:46:55,630 --> 01:46:51,960 Helio 1890 01:47:01,400 --> 01:46:55,640 if I pronounce that right one to know if 1891 01:47:03,580 --> 01:47:01,410 if the aliens spoke or was a telepathy 1892 01:47:11,300 --> 01:47:03,590 or anything like that but if they did 1893 01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:11,310 did they speak in Portuguese yes yes as 1894 01:47:18,830 --> 01:47:15,810 far as I know the aliens speak the 1895 01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:18,840 language of the country that he was 1896 01:47:28,100 --> 01:47:24,480 there we have all the Brazilian cases 1897 01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:28,110 that have that interaction about with 1898 01:47:43,190 --> 01:47:39,230 telepathic or speaking matter matter of 1899 01:47:45,260 --> 01:47:43,200 fact speaking isn't in in Portuguese I 1900 01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:45,270 know the cases the they're being 1901 01:47:50,150 --> 01:47:47,730 speaking in Spanish when in Spain in 1902 01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:50,160 English ones United States and England 1903 01:47:55,450 --> 01:47:53,520 something like that but in in Brazil is 1904 01:47:59,870 --> 01:47:55,460 in Portuguese this is that something I 1905 01:48:02,780 --> 01:47:59,880 mean that is yeah yeah I guess if if if 1906 01:48:05,410 --> 01:48:02,790 they are say extraterrestrial wherever 1907 01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:05,420 they're coming from if they're actually 1908 01:48:09,860 --> 01:48:08,010 have the technology to get here I guess 1909 01:48:13,220 --> 01:48:09,870 they could just do about anything you 1910 01:48:15,170 --> 01:48:13,230 know really you know and a lot of times 1911 01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:15,180 a when people have talked about 1912 01:48:19,850 --> 01:48:16,610 communication 1913 01:48:22,490 --> 01:48:19,860 they've it's come down to the point 1914 01:48:24,230 --> 01:48:22,500 where they talk about the planet taking 1915 01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:24,240 care of the planet or you know bad 1916 01:48:28,430 --> 01:48:26,250 things can happen and all that has 1917 01:48:30,170 --> 01:48:28,440 anything like that in your as far as you 1918 01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:30,180 know has anything ever been talked about 1919 01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:36,930 like that yeah we have a case we call in 1920 01:48:50,060 --> 01:48:45,600 Brazil case pattern and the alien the 1921 01:48:52,970 --> 01:48:50,070 aliens they name name it Quran told to a 1922 01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:52,980 menial and Bianca that was the witness 1923 01:49:04,080 --> 01:48:57,090 of the case that they had have to spread 1924 01:49:10,170 --> 01:49:07,770 take care of the planet so in Brazil is 1925 01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:10,180 the same in Mexico United States when 1926 01:49:17,340 --> 01:49:13,570 they have to say they say to us that 1927 01:49:19,860 --> 01:49:17,350 they have to take take care of the 1928 01:49:24,630 --> 01:49:19,870 planet yeah that that really gets your 1929 01:49:26,190 --> 01:49:24,640 thinking doesn't it yeah cuz we're not 1930 01:49:31,620 --> 01:49:26,200 doing such a good job at that I don't 1931 01:49:34,740 --> 01:49:31,630 think no we not so you did that book on 1932 01:49:36,980 --> 01:49:34,750 our two books on UFO crashes and one of 1933 01:49:40,050 --> 01:49:36,990 the things that you know a skeptic will 1934 01:49:42,150 --> 01:49:40,060 always bring up as well they made it all 1935 01:49:43,650 --> 01:49:42,160 the way here and yet they crash you know 1936 01:49:45,900 --> 01:49:43,660 what's that about 1937 01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:45,910 so how do you address that skeptics 1938 01:49:56,130 --> 01:49:53,520 remark well they're much more they have 1939 01:50:01,970 --> 01:49:56,140 technology much better than our but they 1940 01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:09,060 about writing boat that hit the the UFO 1941 01:50:19,170 --> 01:50:14,880 they cannot avoid Terrace or missile 1942 01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:19,180 they they sleep while drivin the UFO 1943 01:50:24,930 --> 01:50:21,850 they're not perfect it's simple like 1944 01:50:29,070 --> 01:50:24,940 that we many many people think that 1945 01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:29,080 aliens is like a perfect perfect beings 1946 01:50:37,460 --> 01:50:32,170 they are not perfect in my opinion just 1947 01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:37,470 God and they are not God hmm about that 1948 01:50:45,450 --> 01:50:43,510 alright so how in in general this is one 1949 01:50:48,030 --> 01:50:45,460 of the questions I sometimes ask how do 1950 01:50:50,460 --> 01:50:48,040 you think ufology is going in your 1951 01:50:54,060 --> 01:50:50,470 country and is there a direction that 1952 01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:54,070 it's going in and if so what type of 1953 01:51:04,370 --> 01:50:55,570 direction would you say it's going in 1954 01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:04,380 well I think that the diversity of 1955 01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:09,370 ecology we are doing our best we're 1956 01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:11,610 doing everything that we can 1957 01:51:15,110 --> 01:51:14,290 so just have to move it just a little 1958 01:51:17,630 --> 01:51:15,120 sorry we 1959 01:51:21,170 --> 01:51:17,640 have four minutes so we're doing yeah 1960 01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:21,180 yeah we have to do we do best 1961 01:51:28,430 --> 01:51:25,440 we're looking for a very very good 1962 01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:28,440 research and I think that you're gonna 1963 01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:33,090 have we have I'll have to show the world 1964 01:51:37,100 --> 01:51:36,090 the Brazilian government the Brazilian 1965 01:51:40,370 --> 01:51:37,110 government they don't care about the 1966 01:51:48,260 --> 01:51:40,380 effort but to have apologies that do so 1967 01:51:50,990 --> 01:51:48,270 I think that we have a long path to go 1968 01:51:53,420 --> 01:51:51,000 but we're doing fine we're doing fine 1969 01:51:55,340 --> 01:51:53,430 now I know I know I asked you this 1970 01:51:59,300 --> 01:51:55,350 question or a similar question earlier 1971 01:52:01,340 --> 01:51:59,310 about Chile have they ever reached out 1972 01:52:04,040 --> 01:52:01,350 to your government as far as you know 1973 01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:04,050 for any of the sightings that they're 1974 01:52:13,220 --> 01:52:09,360 researching no never have no they don't 1975 01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:13,230 know never happen I wish I wish whatever 1976 01:52:19,550 --> 01:52:17,250 happened I think it's you know it's 1977 01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:19,560 really great that they are putting these 1978 01:52:25,310 --> 01:52:21,930 resources to work the way they do their 1979 01:52:26,930 --> 01:52:25,320 you know the the last you know UFO 1980 01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:26,940 sighting that they came out with ended 1981 01:52:32,540 --> 01:52:30,000 up being you know actually a jet a 1982 01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:32,550 commercial jet unfortunately that was 1983 01:52:36,980 --> 01:52:34,050 just seen with a different type of 1984 01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:36,990 technology so it was a mistake which is 1985 01:52:42,260 --> 01:52:39,360 is very unfortunate that they came out 1986 01:52:46,090 --> 01:52:42,270 with that and I'm hoping that it doesn't 1987 01:52:50,060 --> 01:52:46,100 you know make them have to disband the 1988 01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:50,070 that sefa I hope they just keep 1989 01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:51,810 continuing and trying because everyone 1990 01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:53,610 makes mistakes it's just too bad they 1991 01:53:02,800 --> 01:52:56,880 came out with it prematurely in my 1992 01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:02,810 opinion yeah I agree I agree I agree the 1993 01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:08,880 if it's an example to to all of the 1994 01:53:13,790 --> 01:53:11,010 countries because they do a very good 1995 01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:13,800 job very serious job yeah that's what 1996 01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:16,560 I've liked about them all along that 1997 01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:18,810 they they take it seriously there's not 1998 01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:21,840 really the ridicule there and they have 1999 01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,530 all the branches of the government and 2000 01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:26,880 you know Police Department you name it 2001 01:53:32,990 --> 01:53:28,800 they're all helping them work 2002 01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:33,000 with them and scientists yep I wish up I 2003 01:53:38,450 --> 01:53:36,960 wish we would you know it's not I know 2004 01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:38,460 there's a lot of things to spend money 2005 01:53:42,530 --> 01:53:40,290 on but if they're not spending a lot of 2006 01:53:46,910 --> 01:53:42,540 money on this and maybe some other 2007 01:53:49,220 --> 01:53:46,920 countries will follow suit a marching 2008 01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:49,230 the the Brazilian government don't need 2009 01:53:56,620 --> 01:53:51,930 to spend any money 2010 01:54:02,030 --> 01:53:56,630 we just wanted when everywhere were a 2011 01:54:04,180 --> 01:54:02,040 mixture of Defense we just said they 2012 01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:04,190 they said well we don't have money and 2013 01:54:09,710 --> 01:54:07,050 personnel to help you with that okay we 2014 01:54:14,030 --> 01:54:09,720 don't need it we're gonna do the 2015 01:54:17,420 --> 01:54:14,040 research we just need you to give us the 2016 01:54:20,390 --> 01:54:17,430 material that you have this I think the 2017 01:54:23,570 --> 01:54:20,400 fighting that you have the the report of 2018 01:54:26,690 --> 01:54:23,580 the pilots we do all the the let's see 2019 01:54:31,060 --> 01:54:26,700 their job and give it to you into 2020 01:54:34,970 --> 01:54:31,070 society an answer even inconclusive 2021 01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:34,980 we're gonna do the the job you just just 2022 01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:38,490 need your channel that's how don't need 2023 01:54:43,850 --> 01:54:41,730 to do to pay us Wow well that was great 2024 01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:43,860 that you you know there you have that 2025 01:54:48,050 --> 01:54:45,930 ability to be able to do that well hey 2026 01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:48,060 thanks so much now are you able to give 2027 01:54:53,930 --> 01:54:50,850 out your website or any place that 2028 01:54:59,570 --> 01:54:53,940 someone can contact you the magazine or 2029 01:55:03,140 --> 01:54:59,580 anything yeah yeah I have facebook right 2030 01:55:07,460 --> 01:55:03,150 ah my phone patient Facebook is chugga 2031 01:55:13,790 --> 01:55:07,470 chugga choo catchy you can find it chat 2032 01:55:23,390 --> 01:55:13,800 with th I a gee oh gee I 2033 01:55:26,330 --> 01:55:23,400 CC h e TT i but again fighting for the 2034 01:55:27,620 --> 01:55:26,340 listener in the show notes so you'll be 2035 01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:27,630 able to see that all right 2036 01:55:34,270 --> 01:55:32,370 hey yes it's been great and thank you so 2037 01:55:36,980 --> 01:55:34,280 much for your patience and coming back 2038 01:55:40,820 --> 01:55:36,990 to try a second time i really appreciate 2039 01:55:42,650 --> 01:55:40,830 all your efforts taking much of what 2040 01:55:44,300 --> 01:55:42,660 opportunity to show a little 2041 01:55:47,060 --> 01:55:44,310 about you follow chain Brazil to your 2042 01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:47,070 list sure we very good all right you 2043 01:55:54,260 --> 01:55:51,840 take care and I'll talk to you soon all 2044 01:55:57,440 --> 01:55:54,270 right everyone so that's that's it for 2045 01:55:59,720 --> 01:55:57,450 the that's it for the show tonight thank 2046 01:56:02,540 --> 01:55:59,730 you so much for watching and listening 2047 01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:02,550 and we'll be back next week we're going 2048 01:56:11,600 --> 01:56:05,760 to have kind of a controversial show 2049 01:56:14,990 --> 01:56:11,610 I've had Ben moss on in the past you may 2050 01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:15,000 know him from some of the UFO TV shows 2051 01:56:20,450 --> 01:56:18,810 that he's been on but Ben moss asked me 2052 01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:20,460 if he could talk about controversial 2053 01:56:26,330 --> 01:56:23,250 subjects in the UFO field and I said 2054 01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:26,340 absolutely why not so it should be 2055 01:56:31,790 --> 01:56:29,610 interesting so tune in next week at the 2056 01:56:34,610 --> 01:56:31,800 same time 8:00 to 10:00 p.m. Eastern 2057 01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:34,620 Standard Time and we'll be back with Ben 2058 01:56:38,420 --> 01:56:36,810 moss next week thanks so much for being 2059 01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:38,430 here if you're supporting the show 2060 01:56:43,540 --> 01:56:40,320 thanks so much if you want to support 2061 01:56:46,010 --> 01:56:43,550 the show just go to podcast UFO calm and 2062 01:56:49,190 --> 01:56:46,020 remember we'll be back next week and to 2063 01:57:00,720 --> 01:56:49,200 keep your eyes to the sky